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I'm one of the people who posted on the previous thread that didn't agree with the tone/method of the original blog post. Not that it matters in the slightest w

by columbo 14y ago

I'm one of the people who posted on the previous thread that didn't agree with the tone/method of the original blog post. Not that it matters in the slightest what I think. However, I'm glad it turned out this way.

flyinglizard 14y ago
I did not like it either. I thought it was laid with racist overtones and stereotypes. I also thought that it is peculiar that someone would choose to introduce themselves as a "poor black queer" instead of bringing forth their personality or skills or ideas. Newsflash: if you are interesting or do cool stuff I don't give a fuck about your skin tone or sexual preference.
- drivebyacct2 14y ago
  ... That was rather the point. >if you are interesting or do cool stuff I don't give a fuck about your skin tone And I'm guessing you're white and straight and thus have not spent the amount of timing thinking about others as I and other people have. We're not worried about you. We're worried about people like these employees who DO give "a fuck" about skin tone or sexual preference. It's funny that you condemn him for probably jokingly and self-deprecatingly calling himself a "poor black queer", yet that's what he was reduced to when you're treated as such day in and day out.
  - flyinglizard 14y ago
    To me it sounded like someone with a rooted "versus" mentality that defines themselves using their externality and sexual preference because, well, its just easier. You are not wrong about me, but I have plenty of gay friends in the workplace, and being talented they don't define themselves through their orientation.
    - wonderzombie 14y ago
      It's a hell of a lot easier not to have a "versus" mentality when you are in a privileged position. Conversely, when everyone around you can instantly see that you are different, and when you're reminded daily that you are different by mainstream culture, you'd probably have a different attitude. You're visibly, repeatedly, and viscerally reminded that you are Different. I don't know what that's like, but it's something this particular fellow has to live with every moment of his life. That's going to have an impact on your attitude, and I'm willing to cut the guy more than a little slack. "Can't we all get along" is a luxury cis, straight, white males have, in no small part because a lot of mainstream American culture is created by and for that set of categories.
- MartinCron 14y ago
  I don't give a fuck about your skin tone or sexual preference Just a friendly heads-up, the phrase "sexual preference" is like fingernails on a chalkboard to a lot of people, as the word "preference" implies choice which isn't in line with our best understanding of how sexual orientation works. I'm not offended, but I'm guessing you don't want to accidentally offend people. After all, you don't give a fuck.
  - flyinglizard 14y ago
    I was not aware of these subtleties. I stand corrected.
  - graue 14y ago
    I consider myself fairly progressive about these kinds of things, and this is the first I've heard about "sexual preference" being problematic. Is it really used to justify the belief that what gender(s) you're attracted to is a choice? What term should we use instead?
    - MartinCron 14y ago
      I believe that "sexual orientation" is favored. The parallel I like to use is being right-handed or left-handed. It's not that lefties "prefer" to use their left hand for tasks requiring dexterity, they are oriented that way.

by columbo 14y ago

flyinglizard 14y ago

I did not like it either. I thought it was laid with racist overtones and stereotypes. I also thought that it is peculiar that someone would choose to introduce themselves as a "poor black queer" instead of bringing forth their personality or skills or ideas. Newsflash: if you are interesting or do cool stuff I don't give a fuck about your skin tone or sexual preference.

drivebyacct2 14y ago
... That was rather the point. >if you are interesting or do cool stuff I don't give a fuck about your skin tone And I'm guessing you're white and straight and thus have not spent the amount of timing thinking about others as I and other people have. We're not worried about you. We're worried about people like these employees who DO give "a fuck" about skin tone or sexual preference. It's funny that you condemn him for probably jokingly and self-deprecatingly calling himself a "poor black queer", yet that's what he was reduced to when you're treated as such day in and day out.
- flyinglizard 14y ago
  To me it sounded like someone with a rooted "versus" mentality that defines themselves using their externality and sexual preference because, well, its just easier. You are not wrong about me, but I have plenty of gay friends in the workplace, and being talented they don't define themselves through their orientation.
  - wonderzombie 14y ago
    It's a hell of a lot easier not to have a "versus" mentality when you are in a privileged position. Conversely, when everyone around you can instantly see that you are different, and when you're reminded daily that you are different by mainstream culture, you'd probably have a different attitude. You're visibly, repeatedly, and viscerally reminded that you are Different. I don't know what that's like, but it's something this particular fellow has to live with every moment of his life. That's going to have an impact on your attitude, and I'm willing to cut the guy more than a little slack. "Can't we all get along" is a luxury cis, straight, white males have, in no small part because a lot of mainstream American culture is created by and for that set of categories.
MartinCron 14y ago
I don't give a fuck about your skin tone or sexual preference Just a friendly heads-up, the phrase "sexual preference" is like fingernails on a chalkboard to a lot of people, as the word "preference" implies choice which isn't in line with our best understanding of how sexual orientation works. I'm not offended, but I'm guessing you don't want to accidentally offend people. After all, you don't give a fuck.
- flyinglizard 14y ago
  I was not aware of these subtleties. I stand corrected.
- graue 14y ago
  I consider myself fairly progressive about these kinds of things, and this is the first I've heard about "sexual preference" being problematic. Is it really used to justify the belief that what gender(s) you're attracted to is a choice? What term should we use instead?
  - MartinCron 14y ago
    I believe that "sexual orientation" is favored. The parallel I like to use is being right-handed or left-handed. It's not that lefties "prefer" to use their left hand for tasks requiring dexterity, they are oriented that way.