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Russia in Afghanistan. America in Afghanistan. America in Iraq. America and France in Vietnam. France in Algeria. France in Haiti. Britain in Ireland. Honorabl

Russia in Afghanistan. America in Afghanistan. America in Iraq. America and France in Vietnam. France in Algeria. France in Haiti. Britain in Ireland. Honorable mention to Britain in America and Germany in France, where guerilla/resistance forces were instrumental in the eventual allied victories, even though the invaders were eventually toppled by outside armies. I dunno, maybe Berliners would prefer becoming Ukrainian War-era Kyiv instead of WWII-era Paris after all.

fifilura 10mo ago
No. That is really bloody and a last resort. And horrible for civilians. Bucha and Irpin are counter-examples. Russians should only be treated with a very long stick. Guerilla warfare is not winning, it is making things a huge mess.
- frmersdog 10mo ago
  War makes things a huge mess. It makes things an even bigger mess than resistance, by inuring the public to its devastation via distance from the front line, and by offering soldiers a respite when they're able to rotate out. The violence of occupation comes anyway, AFTER an initial bloody pitched battle. Might as well skip the traditional fighting and hash out the civil war that's inevitable once tanks start moving.
  - fifilura 10mo ago
    2-3% of Ukraine's population are at the front lines. While the others are maintaining a reasonably functional society. There are so many counter examples to your proposal so I think you are just guessing. Where did the Civil War end up when Soviet invaded Hungary in 1956 or Prague 1967? Or Poland? Should the Finns have invited the Soviets into their country in 1939 instead of defending it? Would the British have been better of fighting Germany of the streets of London? And what about the preventive force a regular army has? Would you want to be without that and simply leave the doors to your country unlocked?

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Russia in Afghanistan. America in Afghanistan. America in Iraq. America and France in Vietnam. France in Algeria. France in Haiti. Britain in Ireland. Honorabl

by frmersdog 10mo ago

fifilura 10mo ago
No. That is really bloody and a last resort. And horrible for civilians. Bucha and Irpin are counter-examples. Russians should only be treated with a very long stick. Guerilla warfare is not winning, it is making things a huge mess.
- frmersdog 10mo ago
  War makes things a huge mess. It makes things an even bigger mess than resistance, by inuring the public to its devastation via distance from the front line, and by offering soldiers a respite when they're able to rotate out. The violence of occupation comes anyway, AFTER an initial bloody pitched battle. Might as well skip the traditional fighting and hash out the civil war that's inevitable once tanks start moving.
  - fifilura 10mo ago
    2-3% of Ukraine's population are at the front lines. While the others are maintaining a reasonably functional society. There are so many counter examples to your proposal so I think you are just guessing. Where did the Civil War end up when Soviet invaded Hungary in 1956 or Prague 1967? Or Poland? Should the Finns have invited the Soviets into their country in 1939 instead of defending it? Would the British have been better of fighting Germany of the streets of London? And what about the preventive force a regular army has? Would you want to be without that and simply leave the doors to your country unlocked?