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You have a source for NATO ending, I’m sure?

consumer451 11mo ago
Trump being re-elected was the death knell, let's be honest. We are on our own here now. The next few years will make or break us. Our only hope is European Federalization, at the very least militarily. I believe we can do it. We must. We have no other choice. As far as evidence, "generally waves hands around." See the Trump/Putin surrender proposal. Also, see: https://www.france24.com/en/video/20251206-us-threatens-withdrawal-from-nato-if-europe-doesn-t-take-defense-lead-by-2027 https://www.france24.com/en/video/20251206-us-threatens-with... Just that threat of weakness from the US side is the end of traditional NATO. US forces were what kept us together militarily. We MUST find the new path quickly. I post this with a tears dropping from my eyes, genuinely. No matter who is reelected in the USA in the future, the US-led post-war rules based order is over. Something new must take its place. It best be Democracy. We took it for granted all this time. This could its last chance. Here is some interesting reading: > The West’s Last Chance > How to Build a New Global Order Before It’s Too Late https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/wests-last-chance https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/wests-last-chan... - Alexander Stubb, President of Finland
- consumer451 11mo ago
  I just realized how triggering that title must be for all the Muskovites. Meanwhile, the richest boy in the world: > The EU should be abolished and sovereignty returned to individual countries, so that governments can better represent their people https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/1997279325876367719 https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/1997279325876367719
- nickdothutton 11mo ago
  I don't want to be dismissive or trite, but good luck to any official who thinks the defence needs of (say) Portugal, align with the defence needs of (say) Poland. Could say the same along the N-S axis as on the E-W axis.
  - IAmBroom 11mo ago
    The premise of NATO, which is something over 10 years old IIRC, is that if/when tanks start rolling across (say) Poland, (say) Portugal would be wise to take notice. And maybe proactively do a bit more than just notice.
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Trump being re-elected was the death knell, let's be honest. We are on our own here now. The next few years will make or break us. Our only hope is European Federalization, at the very least militarily. I believe we can do it. We must. We have no other choice. As far as evidence, "generally waves hands around." See the Trump/Putin surrender proposal. Also, see: https://www.france24.com/en/video/20251206-us-threatens-withdrawal-from-nato-if-europe-doesn-t-take-defense-lead-by-2027 https://www.france24.com/en/video/20251206-us-threatens-with... Just that threat of weakness from the US side is the end of traditional NATO. US forces were what kept us together militarily. We MUST find the new path quickly. I post this with a tears dropping from my eyes, genuinely. No matter who is reelected in the USA in the future, the US-led post-war rules based order is over. Something new must take its place. It best be Democracy. We took it for granted all this time. This could its last chance. Here is some interesting reading: > The West’s Last Chance > How to Build a New Global Order Before It’s Too Late https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/wests-last-chance https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/wests-last-chan... - Alexander Stubb, President of Finland

consumer451 11mo ago
I just realized how triggering that title must be for all the Muskovites. Meanwhile, the richest boy in the world: > The EU should be abolished and sovereignty returned to individual countries, so that governments can better represent their people https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/1997279325876367719 https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/1997279325876367719
nickdothutton 11mo ago
I don't want to be dismissive or trite, but good luck to any official who thinks the defence needs of (say) Portugal, align with the defence needs of (say) Poland. Could say the same along the N-S axis as on the E-W axis.
- IAmBroom 11mo ago
  The premise of NATO, which is something over 10 years old IIRC, is that if/when tanks start rolling across (say) Poland, (say) Portugal would be wise to take notice. And maybe proactively do a bit more than just notice.

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