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It's a shame the slop generators don't ever have to take responsibility for the trash they've produced.

SauntSolaire 10mo ago
That's beside the point. While there may be many reasonable critiques of AI, none of them reduce the responsibilities of scientist.
- peppersghost93 10mo ago
  Yeah this is a prime example of what I'm talking about. AI's produce trash and it's everyone else's problem to deal with.
  - SauntSolaire 10mo ago
    Yes, it's the scientists problem to deal with it - that's the choice they made when they decided to use AI for their work. Again, this is what responsibility means.
    - peppersghost93 10mo ago
      This inspires me to make horrible products and shift the blame to the end user for the product being horrible in the first place. I can't take any blame for anything because I didn't force them to use it.
- thfuran 10mo ago
  >While there many reasonable critiques of AI But you just said we weren’t supposed to criticize the purveyors of AI or the tools themselves.
  - SauntSolaire 10mo ago
    No, I merely said that the scientist is the one responsible for the quality of their own work. Any critiques you may have for the tools which they use don't lessen this responsibility.
    - thfuran 10mo ago
      >No, I merely said that the scientist is the one responsible for the quality of their own work. No, you expressed unqualified agreement with a comment containing “And yet, we’re not supposed to criticize the tool or its makers?” >Any critiques you may have for the tools which they use don't lessen this responsibility. People don’t exist or act in a vacuum. That a scientist is responsible for the quality of their work doesn’t mean that a spectrometer manufacture that advertises specs that their machines can’t match and induces universities through discounts and/or dubious advertising claims to push their labs to replace their existing spectrometers with new ones which have many bizarre and unexpected behaviors including but not limited to sometimes just fabricating spurious readings has made no contribution to the problem of bad results.
      - SauntSolaire 10mo ago
        You can criticize the tool or its makers, but not as a means to lessen the responsibility of the professional using it (the rest of the quoted comment). I agree with the GP, it's not a valid excuse for the scientist's poor quality of work.
        thfuran 10mo ago
        I just substantially edited the comment you replied to.
        SauntSolaire 10mo ago
        The scientist has (at the very least) a basic responsibility to perform due diligence. We can argue back and forth over what constitutes appropriate due diligence, but, with regard to the scientist under discussion, I think we'd be better suited discussing what constitutes negligence.

That's beside the point. While there may be many reasonable critiques of AI, none of them reduce the responsibilities of scientist.

peppersghost93 10mo ago
Yeah this is a prime example of what I'm talking about. AI's produce trash and it's everyone else's problem to deal with.
- SauntSolaire 10mo ago
  Yes, it's the scientists problem to deal with it - that's the choice they made when they decided to use AI for their work. Again, this is what responsibility means.
  - peppersghost93 10mo ago
    This inspires me to make horrible products and shift the blame to the end user for the product being horrible in the first place. I can't take any blame for anything because I didn't force them to use it.
thfuran 10mo ago
>While there many reasonable critiques of AI But you just said we weren’t supposed to criticize the purveyors of AI or the tools themselves.
- SauntSolaire 10mo ago
  No, I merely said that the scientist is the one responsible for the quality of their own work. Any critiques you may have for the tools which they use don't lessen this responsibility.
  - thfuran 10mo ago
    >No, I merely said that the scientist is the one responsible for the quality of their own work. No, you expressed unqualified agreement with a comment containing “And yet, we’re not supposed to criticize the tool or its makers?” >Any critiques you may have for the tools which they use don't lessen this responsibility. People don’t exist or act in a vacuum. That a scientist is responsible for the quality of their work doesn’t mean that a spectrometer manufacture that advertises specs that their machines can’t match and induces universities through discounts and/or dubious advertising claims to push their labs to replace their existing spectrometers with new ones which have many bizarre and unexpected behaviors including but not limited to sometimes just fabricating spurious readings has made no contribution to the problem of bad results.
    - SauntSolaire 10mo ago
      You can criticize the tool or its makers, but not as a means to lessen the responsibility of the professional using it (the rest of the quoted comment). I agree with the GP, it's not a valid excuse for the scientist's poor quality of work.
      - thfuran 10mo ago
        I just substantially edited the comment you replied to.
        SauntSolaire 10mo ago
        The scientist has (at the very least) a basic responsibility to perform due diligence. We can argue back and forth over what constitutes appropriate due diligence, but, with regard to the scientist under discussion, I think we'd be better suited discussing what constitutes negligence.