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Because the military and war is like putting a society in a pressure cooker. Nothing good comes out of it. We have been told in most stories that this is a tim

Because the military and war is like putting a society in a pressure cooker. Nothing good comes out of it. We have been told in most stories that this is a time when people come together and stand up but this is really propaganda. The reality is most people go a little bit crazy and paranoid in these situation. Understandably. For example, friendly fires have always been very much under reported. Can you imagine what it lead too when an army is already a bit suspicious of each other?

jijijijij 11mo ago
Dude, it's kids. Their mind isn't set in stone, their opinions aren't very founded. Basic military service also includes ethical/political education. People are not getting packed into trenches yet, it's not prison. If anything, this is going to help tensions in society. They will share rooms, showers, dirt and sweat. We're all the same. Nothing has been shown more effective at tearing down prejudices than actual exposure and confrontation.
- nsoqm 11mo ago
  > We're all the same. Nothing has been shown more effective at tearing down prejudices than actual exposure and confrontation. History is full of counter-examples.
  - jijijijij 11mo ago
    Under scientific scrutiny it is not, tho. Contact interventions are considered the most effective tool to reduce prejudices across domains. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_hypothesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_hypothesis https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0149718925000230 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S014971892...
    - sunshine-o 11mo ago
      If you want to get an idea of what a war situation would do to a society like Germany just remember Covid. A battle between humanity and a virus deeply deeply divided our society. If I remember correctly Germany or Austria were ready to put non vaccinated people in jails. About every lines of division deepens.
      - jijijijij 11mo ago
        The topic isn't a "war situation" tho, but the forming of an army as deterrent. I think you are arguing in bad faith. Otherwise you would have recognized Covid isolation has been the opposite of contact interventions. Oh and of course this: > If I remember correctly Germany or Austria were ready to put non vaccinated people in jails. You remember wrong, non vaccinated people actually got publicly sodomized by general Drosten himself before euthanization. The former now has been ruled unconstitutional, but failing to get every new vaccine within 3 months is still punishable by death. Life in Germany is unbearable, please stay away!
        sunshine-o 11mo ago
        No need to get obscene. I do remember correctly it was indeed Austria. Here is the explanation from a big law firm https://www.fwp.at/en/news/blog/austrias-covid-vaccine-mandate https://www.fwp.at/en/news/blog/austrias-covid-vaccine-manda... (not the news)
      - _bernd 11mo ago
        > If I remember correctly Germany or Austria were ready to put non vaccinated people in jails. Citation needed! I'm from Germany and followed the COVID rules real close. Please do not talk shit.
        sunshine-o 11mo ago
        Sure https://www.fwp.at/en/news/blog/austrias-covid-vaccine-mandate https://www.fwp.at/en/news/blog/austrias-covid-vaccine-manda... > In Austria, people are to be obliged to be vaccinated against the Coronavirus from 1 February 2022. This measure includes a mandatory booster vaccination for people who have already been vaccinated. Compulsory vaccination is nothing new in Austria, as the Federal Act on Smallpox Vaccination of 30 June 1948 was accompanied by a measure that sanctioned non-compliance with vaccination with an administrative fine. Administrative penalties are also foreseen with regard to the Corona-Vaccination obligation 2022. Fines of up to EUR 3.600,-- are foreseen for vaccination refusers and up to EUR 1.450,-- for people who do not attend a booster vaccination. Furthermore, vaccination refusers face prison sentences of up to four weeks if they do not comply with the new Federal Law.
    - pfannkuchen 10mo ago
      American south? Many contact, few rainbows and unicorns.
- hulitu 11mo ago
  > People are not getting packed into trenches yet, it's not prison Yet. And no it is not prison. Is forced labour and death so that some assholes make more profit. Did you notice that every "patriot" who says "we will defend our country" never goes on the front line ? The same with their children.
  - jijijijij 11mo ago
    When people are getting in the trenches, military service policies won't matter anyway. Before you get mobilization, professional soldiers are called to arms. In the war scenario, literally nothing changed due to this policy. > Did you notice that every "patriot" who says "we will defend our country" never goes on the front line ? The same with their children. Germany hasn't had a purely professional army for the longest time. Most men in Germany already served in the military, got basic training, or did alternative service (e.g. worked in a hospital). Mandatory military service is constitutionally set up to draw across the population, regardless of social or economic status. Again, we're not talking about who has to die when Russia invades, but who has to get basic military training...
  - _bernd 11mo ago
    In case you missed the details. The current law from Friday states: - every young adult get information material about the Musterung - everyone is free to go there and free to go to do the basic training - just in case we will have to few volunteers then the state can at first force everyone to go to the evaluation as it was before - if we will have to few recruits then next step is a loot box system - then and only then the state can force you. But this has also limits as we are still in Germany Yes it was a shitty move by Merz to not involve the actual effected generation but I would have expected a far much worst law then this.
  - IAmBroom 10mo ago
    > Did you notice that every "patriot" who says "we will defend our country" never goes on the front line ? The same with their children. Excepting many of the signers of the US Declaration of Independence. I'll admit that's a rare exception.
- belorn 11mo ago
  > Nothing has been shown more effective at tearing down prejudices than actual exposure and confrontation. The result has been fairly inconclusive. What happen is that people generally keep their views about in-groups and out-groups, but then add exception for the person they get exposed to. A good experience/friendship do not translate to a change in definitions for the in-group, nor does it change existing negative generalizations of the out-group. What has shown to be effective is demonstration of shared values by the out-group, while at the same time avoiding display of different values. When people share the same values, and more importantly, do not display a difference in values, then the in-group can be expanded. If I remember right, the book Behave by Robert Sapolsky goes through this.

jijijijij 11mo ago

Dude, it's kids. Their mind isn't set in stone, their opinions aren't very founded. Basic military service also includes ethical/political education. People are not getting packed into trenches yet, it's not prison. If anything, this is going to help tensions in society. They will share rooms, showers, dirt and sweat. We're all the same. Nothing has been shown more effective at tearing down prejudices than actual exposure and confrontation.

nsoqm 11mo ago
> We're all the same. Nothing has been shown more effective at tearing down prejudices than actual exposure and confrontation. History is full of counter-examples.
- jijijijij 11mo ago
  Under scientific scrutiny it is not, tho. Contact interventions are considered the most effective tool to reduce prejudices across domains. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_hypothesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_hypothesis https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0149718925000230 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S014971892...
  - sunshine-o 11mo ago
    If you want to get an idea of what a war situation would do to a society like Germany just remember Covid. A battle between humanity and a virus deeply deeply divided our society. If I remember correctly Germany or Austria were ready to put non vaccinated people in jails. About every lines of division deepens.
    - jijijijij 11mo ago
      The topic isn't a "war situation" tho, but the forming of an army as deterrent. I think you are arguing in bad faith. Otherwise you would have recognized Covid isolation has been the opposite of contact interventions. Oh and of course this: > If I remember correctly Germany or Austria were ready to put non vaccinated people in jails. You remember wrong, non vaccinated people actually got publicly sodomized by general Drosten himself before euthanization. The former now has been ruled unconstitutional, but failing to get every new vaccine within 3 months is still punishable by death. Life in Germany is unbearable, please stay away!
      - sunshine-o 11mo ago
        No need to get obscene. I do remember correctly it was indeed Austria. Here is the explanation from a big law firm https://www.fwp.at/en/news/blog/austrias-covid-vaccine-mandate https://www.fwp.at/en/news/blog/austrias-covid-vaccine-manda... (not the news)
    - _bernd 11mo ago
      > If I remember correctly Germany or Austria were ready to put non vaccinated people in jails. Citation needed! I'm from Germany and followed the COVID rules real close. Please do not talk shit.
      - sunshine-o 11mo ago
        Sure https://www.fwp.at/en/news/blog/austrias-covid-vaccine-mandate https://www.fwp.at/en/news/blog/austrias-covid-vaccine-manda... > In Austria, people are to be obliged to be vaccinated against the Coronavirus from 1 February 2022. This measure includes a mandatory booster vaccination for people who have already been vaccinated. Compulsory vaccination is nothing new in Austria, as the Federal Act on Smallpox Vaccination of 30 June 1948 was accompanied by a measure that sanctioned non-compliance with vaccination with an administrative fine. Administrative penalties are also foreseen with regard to the Corona-Vaccination obligation 2022. Fines of up to EUR 3.600,-- are foreseen for vaccination refusers and up to EUR 1.450,-- for people who do not attend a booster vaccination. Furthermore, vaccination refusers face prison sentences of up to four weeks if they do not comply with the new Federal Law.
  - pfannkuchen 10mo ago
    American south? Many contact, few rainbows and unicorns.
hulitu 11mo ago
> People are not getting packed into trenches yet, it's not prison Yet. And no it is not prison. Is forced labour and death so that some assholes make more profit. Did you notice that every "patriot" who says "we will defend our country" never goes on the front line ? The same with their children.
- jijijijij 11mo ago
  When people are getting in the trenches, military service policies won't matter anyway. Before you get mobilization, professional soldiers are called to arms. In the war scenario, literally nothing changed due to this policy. > Did you notice that every "patriot" who says "we will defend our country" never goes on the front line ? The same with their children. Germany hasn't had a purely professional army for the longest time. Most men in Germany already served in the military, got basic training, or did alternative service (e.g. worked in a hospital). Mandatory military service is constitutionally set up to draw across the population, regardless of social or economic status. Again, we're not talking about who has to die when Russia invades, but who has to get basic military training...
- _bernd 11mo ago
  In case you missed the details. The current law from Friday states: - every young adult get information material about the Musterung - everyone is free to go there and free to go to do the basic training - just in case we will have to few volunteers then the state can at first force everyone to go to the evaluation as it was before - if we will have to few recruits then next step is a loot box system - then and only then the state can force you. But this has also limits as we are still in Germany Yes it was a shitty move by Merz to not involve the actual effected generation but I would have expected a far much worst law then this.
- IAmBroom 10mo ago
  > Did you notice that every "patriot" who says "we will defend our country" never goes on the front line ? The same with their children. Excepting many of the signers of the US Declaration of Independence. I'll admit that's a rare exception.
belorn 11mo ago
> Nothing has been shown more effective at tearing down prejudices than actual exposure and confrontation. The result has been fairly inconclusive. What happen is that people generally keep their views about in-groups and out-groups, but then add exception for the person they get exposed to. A good experience/friendship do not translate to a change in definitions for the in-group, nor does it change existing negative generalizations of the out-group. What has shown to be effective is demonstration of shared values by the out-group, while at the same time avoiding display of different values. When people share the same values, and more importantly, do not display a difference in values, then the in-group can be expanded. If I remember right, the book Behave by Robert Sapolsky goes through this.