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I have zero sympathy for anyone who agreeded to travel to a war zone. Every corpse advances the cause of a just end to the war. If they want to live they ought

I have zero sympathy for anyone who agreeded to travel to a war zone. Every corpse advances the cause of a just end to the war. If they want to live they ought to surrender.

stevenwoo 11mo ago
I mostly agree but they might only be issuing instructions to surrender in Russian in written (delivered by drone) or verbally. Ukraine made an extraordinary effort to capture a North Korean soldier and a special forces unit learned a tiny bit of Korean in order to communicate and capture one before the Korean could commit suicide. The Russians that have successfully surrendered have claimed their officers will shoot their own soldiers for surrendering in view of them. In addition the Ukrainians have to treat anyone who doesn't follow directions as potential perfidy - fake surrenders - there's several videos of Russians pretending to surrender and continuing to fight when the Ukrainians get close. One is pretty much screwed once they are sent to the frontlines on the Russian side.
- SSLy 11mo ago
  Ah, the good ol' Barrier Troops of krasnaya armiya https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrier_troops#Soviet_Red_Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrier_troops#Soviet_Red_Army
locknitpicker 11mo ago
> Every corpse advances the cause of a just end to the war. If they want to live they ought to surrender. You clearly haven't been paying attention. Not only is Russia luring immigrants with false promises of employment and naturalization to pull a bait and switch and press them into the frontline roles, they are also coercing immigrants who they deem have expired visas to serve as cannon fodder.
- general1465 11mo ago
  Russians are doing this bait and switch for years already. And Kenyans do have internet and are able to find basic information. So it is their fault for coming to Russia and expecting anything else than ending up as cannon (drone) fodder on the frontlines.
  - locknitpicker 11mo ago
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    - general1465 11mo ago
      > You need to be terribly naive to assume that what amounts to human trafficking is avoided by googling a topic. Don't take the agency from them. Kenyans are not stupid, they are going to Russia voluntarily, expecting that they will work or study somewhere in Russia while ignoring a all the evidence that they will most likely be sent to a meat grinder on the frontlines.
      - locknitpicker 11mo ago
        > Don't take the agency from them. Kenyans are not stupid, (...) What? It's pretty clear it's the other way around: claiming that Kenyans are pressed to Russia's frontline because they are too stupid to Google the job proposals they accept is undescribable. Again: what Russia is doing throughout the world is blatant human trafficking to amass cannon fodder. They even do this to Russians who sign military contracts, who are promised cushy logistics positions back in Russia but then they see themselves rushed to the front lines to form suicide assault groups.
        general1465 11mo ago
        Again, they are not pressed into Russia, they are volunteering to go into Russia, despite the fact that they know what is going to happen once they get there. Stop trying to turn them into unthinking fools. They know very well what awaits when they will leave Kenya on their own accords and arrive to Russia.
NedF 11mo ago
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woooooo 11mo ago
Zero sympathy for very poor people who were duped and coerced? None at all?
- general1465 11mo ago
  None at all. If you are a young male going to "work" in Russia, you are going to end up on frontlines. I would have sympathy in 2022 early 2023 after that these guys know exactly what they are signing up for.
  - woooooo 11mo ago
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    - general1465 11mo ago
      You are moving goalposts. These guys were not enslaved, they signed up voluntarily.
      - woooooo 11mo ago
        Once they were in-country, it doesn't sound like it was voluntary. Guy thought he was getting a chill security job at an unrealistic pay point. Clearly not the smartest, but he didn't move to Russia to join the army. Just like Pakistanis don't move to Saudi Arabia to be enslaved. In both cases, the word is out and these people should have known better, but maybe they were desperate, or naive, I think we can have a little human empathy.
        general1465 11mo ago
        > Guy thought he was getting a chill security job at an unrealistic pay point. Clearly not the smartest This would be worth of sympathy if this would happen in 2022/2023. This bait and switch is years old. Kenyans have access to internet, they can use google and quickly find out what happened to others who took the "job". Most of them would be found on CombatFootage, lucky ones would be found in Ukrainian channels doing interviews with POWs

I have zero sympathy for anyone who agreeded to travel to a war zone. Every corpse advances the cause of a just end to the war. If they want to live they ought to surrender.

stevenwoo 11mo ago

I mostly agree but they might only be issuing instructions to surrender in Russian in written (delivered by drone) or verbally. Ukraine made an extraordinary effort to capture a North Korean soldier and a special forces unit learned a tiny bit of Korean in order to communicate and capture one before the Korean could commit suicide. The Russians that have successfully surrendered have claimed their officers will shoot their own soldiers for surrendering in view of them. In addition the Ukrainians have to treat anyone who doesn't follow directions as potential perfidy - fake surrenders - there's several videos of Russians pretending to surrender and continuing to fight when the Ukrainians get close. One is pretty much screwed once they are sent to the frontlines on the Russian side.

SSLy 11mo ago
Ah, the good ol' Barrier Troops of krasnaya armiya https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrier_troops#Soviet_Red_Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrier_troops#Soviet_Red_Army

locknitpicker 11mo ago

> Every corpse advances the cause of a just end to the war. If they want to live they ought to surrender. You clearly haven't been paying attention. Not only is Russia luring immigrants with false promises of employment and naturalization to pull a bait and switch and press them into the frontline roles, they are also coercing immigrants who they deem have expired visas to serve as cannon fodder.

general1465 11mo ago
Russians are doing this bait and switch for years already. And Kenyans do have internet and are able to find basic information. So it is their fault for coming to Russia and expecting anything else than ending up as cannon (drone) fodder on the frontlines.
- locknitpicker 11mo ago
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  - general1465 11mo ago
    > You need to be terribly naive to assume that what amounts to human trafficking is avoided by googling a topic. Don't take the agency from them. Kenyans are not stupid, they are going to Russia voluntarily, expecting that they will work or study somewhere in Russia while ignoring a all the evidence that they will most likely be sent to a meat grinder on the frontlines.
    - locknitpicker 11mo ago
      > Don't take the agency from them. Kenyans are not stupid, (...) What? It's pretty clear it's the other way around: claiming that Kenyans are pressed to Russia's frontline because they are too stupid to Google the job proposals they accept is undescribable. Again: what Russia is doing throughout the world is blatant human trafficking to amass cannon fodder. They even do this to Russians who sign military contracts, who are promised cushy logistics positions back in Russia but then they see themselves rushed to the front lines to form suicide assault groups.
      - general1465 11mo ago
        Again, they are not pressed into Russia, they are volunteering to go into Russia, despite the fact that they know what is going to happen once they get there. Stop trying to turn them into unthinking fools. They know very well what awaits when they will leave Kenya on their own accords and arrive to Russia.

NedF 11mo ago

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woooooo 11mo ago

Zero sympathy for very poor people who were duped and coerced? None at all?

general1465 11mo ago
None at all. If you are a young male going to "work" in Russia, you are going to end up on frontlines. I would have sympathy in 2022 early 2023 after that these guys know exactly what they are signing up for.
- woooooo 11mo ago
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  - general1465 11mo ago
    You are moving goalposts. These guys were not enslaved, they signed up voluntarily.
    - woooooo 11mo ago
      Once they were in-country, it doesn't sound like it was voluntary. Guy thought he was getting a chill security job at an unrealistic pay point. Clearly not the smartest, but he didn't move to Russia to join the army. Just like Pakistanis don't move to Saudi Arabia to be enslaved. In both cases, the word is out and these people should have known better, but maybe they were desperate, or naive, I think we can have a little human empathy.
      - general1465 11mo ago
        > Guy thought he was getting a chill security job at an unrealistic pay point. Clearly not the smartest This would be worth of sympathy if this would happen in 2022/2023. This bait and switch is years old. Kenyans have access to internet, they can use google and quickly find out what happened to others who took the "job". Most of them would be found on CombatFootage, lucky ones would be found in Ukrainian channels doing interviews with POWs