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A fork of Calibre called Clbre, because the AI is stripped out

28 points by pabs3 11mo ago

nu11ptr 11mo ago
I haven't use Calibre in several years. What does it use AI for?
- squigz 11mo ago
  https://calibre-ebook.com/whats-new https://calibre-ebook.com/whats-new > Allow asking AI questions about any book in your calibre library. Right click the "View" button and choose "Discuss selected book(s) with AI" > AI: Allow asking AI what book to read next by right clicking on a book and using the "Similar books" menu > AI: Add a new backend for "LM Studio" which allows running various AI models locally
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- treetalker 11mo ago
  Looks like it's pretty standard: ask AI questions about your current book and across all books in your library.
squigz 11mo ago
A good usecase for LLMs with an option to use local models? Better remove it.
doctorpangloss 11mo ago
It’s 1 readme commit. It should say, “an aspiration to modify Calibre”
charcircuit 11mo ago
The only difference is the README.
infotainment 11mo ago
The AI integration in question, from the Calibre changelog: - Allow asking AI questions about any book in your calibre library. - Right click the "View" button and choose "Discuss selected book(s) with AI" - AI: Allow asking AI what book to read next by right clicking on a book and using the "Similar books" menu - AI: Add a new backend for "LM Studio" which allows running various AI models locally It seems pretty harmless really. I understand some people feel that AI is overhyped and don't particularly like it, but this level of weird knee-jerk "anything AI is the devil incarnate" response is just as ridiculous, IMO.
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- politelemon 11mo ago
  Does it make use of LM studio for all of those features? I feel the features can simply be ignored by anyone who doesn't want to use them.
- port11 11mo ago
  If anything, it took time away from improving Calibre's UI and user-friendliness. I use it weekly, but by the gods, it's neither pretty nor friendly.
  - ageitgey 11mo ago
    Calibre has had a comically obtuse and amateur UI for over a decade. I don't think anyone working on it is spending time on a grand beautiful UI redesign (which would be really hard, both in effort and in politics). So I don't think it's fair to complain that anytime someone adds a feature you don't use that is taking time away from UI work.
    - port11 11mo ago
      I wasn't complaining, I don't mind whichever feature an open-source freely-available project I use weekly wants to work on. I did suggest these features might have taken some effort, and opportunity cost dictates it wasn't spent elsewhere.
pizza234 11mo ago
From Calibre's repository README: > Supports hundreds of AI models via Providers [...] no AI related code is even loaded until you configure an AI provider. This fork is pretty much useless.
- cratermoon 11mo ago
  That's not true: there's some menu items and supporting code by default.
  - xaerise 11mo ago
    Still, the menu item is not interacting with AI without you explicit configuring it. I bet if you click it without any configuration will give you an error message.
    - cratermoon 11mo ago
      How many inactive menu items that error out when clicked on is acceptable? Are we ok with a Microsoft Word style ribbon of controls that do nothing?
      - pizza234 10mo ago
        If UI bugs are really the issue, then one just sends patches to the upstream project - I'm sure the maintainers will be happy to receive fixes for broken menus. A fork for this is useless, and guaranteed to be abandoned.
- port11 11mo ago
  Not just useless but another fork that only confounds newcomers and users looking for help. We can be generally opposed to AI without making it a boogeyman.
syntaxing 11mo ago
I had to look into the changelog to see what they meant but it’s not too intrusive IMO [1]. That being said, I find it way easier using calibre-web-automated [2]. Everything is through a web server, has usual control, and syncs with Kobo. All it takes in one docker compose and you’re up in less than 10 minutes. [1] https://calibre-ebook.com/whats-new https://calibre-ebook.com/whats-new [2] https://github.com/crocodilestick/Calibre-Web-Automated https://github.com/crocodilestick/Calibre-Web-Automated
rafram 11mo ago
I personally think Goyal should focus on making Calibre’s UI less unpleasant before adding yet another bolted-on AI chat textbox, but this doesn’t feel very productive or useful.
- squigz 11mo ago
  "Unpleasant" is a fairly good word for describing Calibre's UI (as much as I love Calibre) It's not terrible, but it's not great. You get used to it very quickly, but it's still clunky. Oh well. I suspect that sort of update would be a lot of refactoring. Supremely happy with Calibre altogether :)
rogeliodh 11mo ago
Post this when a release is made. Currently this fork doesn't have any commit (beyond stating the intention of the fork without explaining why) and it is useless.
cratermoon 11mo ago
As best I can tell Goyal started adding AI-related code to Calibre back in August, merging the LLM tab work from https://github.com/kovidgoyal/calibre/pull/2838 https://github.com/kovidgoyal/calibre/pull/2838, and created the chat widget in November with commit 41d0da4267dc6f7f7e48fb9bb7e8609a2e251cb7. I looked at forking the project myself: the challenges are that it's a very quirky application, its design and implementation doesn't share conventions with any other application, and the build system is complex and unique to Calibre. It's a shame there's no good open source ebook library application with a more conventional design. Shoving AI into everything, even when it defaults to "off" (for now), is getting old.
delichon 11mo ago
I'd prefer a fork that uses AI to convert ebooks into custom audio books.

28 points by pabs3 11mo ago

nu11ptr 11mo ago

I haven't use Calibre in several years. What does it use AI for?

squigz 11mo ago
https://calibre-ebook.com/whats-new https://calibre-ebook.com/whats-new > Allow asking AI questions about any book in your calibre library. Right click the "View" button and choose "Discuss selected book(s) with AI" > AI: Allow asking AI what book to read next by right clicking on a book and using the "Similar books" menu > AI: Add a new backend for "LM Studio" which allows running various AI models locally
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treetalker 11mo ago
Looks like it's pretty standard: ask AI questions about your current book and across all books in your library.

squigz 11mo ago

A good usecase for LLMs with an option to use local models? Better remove it.

doctorpangloss 11mo ago

It’s 1 readme commit. It should say, “an aspiration to modify Calibre”

charcircuit 11mo ago

The only difference is the README.

infotainment 11mo ago

The AI integration in question, from the Calibre changelog: - Allow asking AI questions about any book in your calibre library. - Right click the "View" button and choose "Discuss selected book(s) with AI" - AI: Allow asking AI what book to read next by right clicking on a book and using the "Similar books" menu - AI: Add a new backend for "LM Studio" which allows running various AI models locally It seems pretty harmless really. I understand some people feel that AI is overhyped and don't particularly like it, but this level of weird knee-jerk "anything AI is the devil incarnate" response is just as ridiculous, IMO.

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politelemon 11mo ago
Does it make use of LM studio for all of those features? I feel the features can simply be ignored by anyone who doesn't want to use them.
port11 11mo ago
If anything, it took time away from improving Calibre's UI and user-friendliness. I use it weekly, but by the gods, it's neither pretty nor friendly.
- ageitgey 11mo ago
  Calibre has had a comically obtuse and amateur UI for over a decade. I don't think anyone working on it is spending time on a grand beautiful UI redesign (which would be really hard, both in effort and in politics). So I don't think it's fair to complain that anytime someone adds a feature you don't use that is taking time away from UI work.
  - port11 11mo ago
    I wasn't complaining, I don't mind whichever feature an open-source freely-available project I use weekly wants to work on. I did suggest these features might have taken some effort, and opportunity cost dictates it wasn't spent elsewhere.

pizza234 11mo ago

From Calibre's repository README: > Supports hundreds of AI models via Providers [...] no AI related code is even loaded until you configure an AI provider. This fork is pretty much useless.

cratermoon 11mo ago
That's not true: there's some menu items and supporting code by default.
- xaerise 11mo ago
  Still, the menu item is not interacting with AI without you explicit configuring it. I bet if you click it without any configuration will give you an error message.
  - cratermoon 11mo ago
    How many inactive menu items that error out when clicked on is acceptable? Are we ok with a Microsoft Word style ribbon of controls that do nothing?
    - pizza234 10mo ago
      If UI bugs are really the issue, then one just sends patches to the upstream project - I'm sure the maintainers will be happy to receive fixes for broken menus. A fork for this is useless, and guaranteed to be abandoned.
port11 11mo ago
Not just useless but another fork that only confounds newcomers and users looking for help. We can be generally opposed to AI without making it a boogeyman.

syntaxing 11mo ago

I had to look into the changelog to see what they meant but it’s not too intrusive IMO [1]. That being said, I find it way easier using calibre-web-automated [2]. Everything is through a web server, has usual control, and syncs with Kobo. All it takes in one docker compose and you’re up in less than 10 minutes. [1] https://calibre-ebook.com/whats-new https://calibre-ebook.com/whats-new [2] https://github.com/crocodilestick/Calibre-Web-Automated https://github.com/crocodilestick/Calibre-Web-Automated

rafram 11mo ago

I personally think Goyal should focus on making Calibre’s UI less unpleasant before adding yet another bolted-on AI chat textbox, but this doesn’t feel very productive or useful.

squigz 11mo ago
"Unpleasant" is a fairly good word for describing Calibre's UI (as much as I love Calibre) It's not terrible, but it's not great. You get used to it very quickly, but it's still clunky. Oh well. I suspect that sort of update would be a lot of refactoring. Supremely happy with Calibre altogether :)

rogeliodh 11mo ago

Post this when a release is made. Currently this fork doesn't have any commit (beyond stating the intention of the fork without explaining why) and it is useless.

cratermoon 11mo ago

As best I can tell Goyal started adding AI-related code to Calibre back in August, merging the LLM tab work from https://github.com/kovidgoyal/calibre/pull/2838 https://github.com/kovidgoyal/calibre/pull/2838, and created the chat widget in November with commit 41d0da4267dc6f7f7e48fb9bb7e8609a2e251cb7. I looked at forking the project myself: the challenges are that it's a very quirky application, its design and implementation doesn't share conventions with any other application, and the build system is complex and unique to Calibre. It's a shame there's no good open source ebook library application with a more conventional design. Shoving AI into everything, even when it defaults to "off" (for now), is getting old.

delichon 11mo ago

I'd prefer a fork that uses AI to convert ebooks into custom audio books.