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Photographer built a medium-format rangefinder
- barrenko 10mo ago"When we must, we can."
- pastage 10mo agoMaking China imports expensive and cumbersome makes these builds difficult in my opinion. It is most certainly not really $300 if you have good connections, second the admin and tolls can make you spend enormous amount of time and money. Electronics (MCU, sensors, displays, cables, LiPo, switches): ~$125 / ~£100 PCB share (DIY assembly; amortized per build): ~$10 / ~£6 [full 5× PCB batch ~ $35 / £28] Hardware/fasteners/mech bits: ~$25 / ~£20 Optics (lenses + beam splitter): ~$115 / ~£90 Printed parts material: ~$25 / ~£20 Rough per-build total: ~$300 / ~£235 (add shipping/taxes and any PCB batch overhead you keep)
- ginko 10mo agoThat's still very cheap for an interchangeable lens MF rangefinder. A Mamiya 7 will cost you around $2000 just for the body. There's the Mamiya Press which you can get for cheap but those are very large and heavy.
- pastage 10mo agoYou are correct, and I agree. My point is that there several things like this that I refrain from completing because they become too cumbersum and expensive to build in small batches.
- ginko 10mo agoVery very cool. I've been thinking about doing something like that before, but didn't really have the time or skills. Awesome someone went through with it.
- phony-account 10mo agoThis is a great product, and without meaning to underestimate the value of a ‘makers’ project I really wish it could be manufactured at scale with a metal body and a mount that could take a wider range of lenses. Anyone currently interested in this breadth of formats would need to spend maybe 20 thousand dollars to buy cameras like the Hasselblad Xpan, the Plaubel Makina 67, and one of the Fujica 690 bodies. Putting all this into one body is almost miraculous. Lomo have recently released a nicely featured 35mm film camera[1]. I wish something like the MRF2 could also be produced in this way. [1] https://shop.lomography.com/us/lomo-mc-a-35-mm-film-camera-black https://shop.lomography.com/us/lomo-mc-a-35-mm-film-camera-b...
- JKCalhoun 10mo agoI also am a huge supporter of DIY projects. Also a huge fan of medium-format, film photography. To that end, if I can help others try medium format film, I want to add that there are plenty of inexpensive used medium-format cameras on eBay. I have purchased perhaps a dozen over the years—none of which even approached US $1000. In case you are not DIY inclined… (Sadly, Japan has been the best place to order used camera gear but that has become cost prohibitive now for this American.) Searching just now on eBay for "Yaschica TLR Mint" shows a number of cameras around $300 that are probably excellent (surprise, most are from Japan). Can't afford a Hasselblad? Try "Bronica Mint" on eBay. Looks like $500 will get you in the game. Mamiya cameras are built like tanks (and weigh as much). You could do a lot worse: "Mamiya Mint" is going to get you a few great models around $400 or so. All of these were (are) considered damn fine film cameras. (Mamiya tend to have interchangeable lenses, as does the Bronica. There are some Wide/Tele adapters for the Yashica, but generally you use them as-is. Most of these cameras are completely manual in operation—the more sought after Yashica though have some light-metering capabilities.) (The Yashica and some of the Mamiya are TLR, twin-lens reflex—more or less equivalent to a rangefinder? The Bronica and some Mamiya you view through the lens 'TTL'.)
- phony-account 10mo agoI agree with you, but my point was aimed at people who might think that even a couple of thousand dollars would be too much to spend on a film camera, whereas used Xpans (with an unknown electronic lifespan) are commonly selling for in excess of $7k. Otherwise I fully agree that buying old film cameras is still both the most practical and most fun way to get into the hobby.
- jacquesm 10mo agoWhat a great job he did. It looks very professional, even though the numbers produced must be fairly low. I wonder how the shutter mechanism works, on most medium format cameras that's a work of art and a project in its own right.
- iNerdier 10mo agoIt uses mamiya press lenses, the focusing helicoid and shutter are in the lens.
- lizknope 10mo agoWhat is the quality like for these lenses? This says the system was discontinued in the 1970s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamiya_Press https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamiya_Press I've seen a lot of Mamiya 645 and 67 systems but those were probably from the 1980's and 90's.
- staticautomatic 10mo agoI can't speak for the Mamiya Press but the Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8 for the Graflex XL is rad.
- iNerdier 10mo agoGood for the time but dated. When your negative is the big it doesn’t matter as much but it’s absolutely not as sharp as more modern constructions. It’s also arguably a step down to use his printed body versus the original Mamiya press in terms of functionality other than reduced weight. Still an impressive design though.
- jacquesm 10mo agoAhh, I totally missed that detail. That makes the whole thing so much more feasible.
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- derwiki 10mo agoIf you’re interested but don’t want to make your own, a Fuji GSW690 is a great entry point. I shoot slide film exclusively, and instead of prints, put the 6x9 in an acrylic frame on a sunny windowsill. I’m also a sucker for 35mm in medium format so you can see photo content around the glorious sprocket holes.
- anta40 10mo agoFuji GM670/GL690 are also nice if you prefer interchangebale lens GM670 in general is reasonably priced compared to Mamiya 7/GF670
- shagie 10mo ago> I’m also a sucker for 35mm in medium format so you can see photo content around the glorious sprocket holes. Have you seen Ted Orland's holga photos? https://www.anseladams.com/products/tree-in-snowstorm-yosemite-valley https://www.anseladams.com/products/tree-in-snowstorm-yosemi... and https://www.anseladams.com/products/dawn-at-mono-lake-in-winter https://www.anseladams.com/products/dawn-at-mono-lake-in-win... --- I personally like 4x6 (a 5x7 is a bit more awkward and 8x10 is right out). One of my favorite things was when Polaroid peel apart film was available - I'd do a transfer to a watercolor post card in the field and put a stamp on it and send it. One of a kind photograph - while you could take another photograph there, you could never make the same print of it since it was a destructive process. (Also neat being in the field and letting a young child do it from being under the hood to pulling out the film and transferring it to a post card or having the print as it is properly developed)
- gyomu 10mo ago> put the 6x9 in an acrylic frame on a sunny windowsill. you likely know this already, but just in case - or for anyone reading this and getting ideas - fading over time due to sun exposure will be a real issue, so make sure to have scans of your favorite images…
- derwiki 10mo agoI like that it’s sort of temporary
- ulnarkressty 10mo agoThe biggest issue with these diy builds is that they need the mechanics to be inside the lens - which is not necessarily a bad thing, however it severely limits the lens choice for the system, and introduces additional cost (you basically need to buy a shutter with every lens). The scene has definitely improved over the years, there are a number of very interesting x-pan-like builds which have been made possible by advancements in 3d printing. I'm looking forward to the day someone figures out how to modify a full frame shutter assembly (plenty and cheap on ebay) to work with medium format film.
- kjkjadksj 10mo agoYou don’t go out and buy a shutter separate. You can just buy a TLR lens that has the leaf shutter already integrated.
- frompdx 10mo agoFor what it's worth virtually every medium format rangefinder uses a leaf shutter integrated in the lens. Many are simply fixed lens cameras (Fujifilm). Even kits with interchangeable lenses like the Bronica RF645 and Mamiya 6/7 integrated leaf shutters in the lenses. To get a sense for what is required to have a focal-plane shutter on a medium format camera look at the Pentax 67. It's huge and heavy. Even with the mirror locked up there is a significant amount of inertia from the shutter transferred to the user requiring the use of a tripod in many settings.
- buildbot 10mo agoA full frame focal plane shutter _cannot_ work for medium format sadly. It's be definition too small. I don't think you can use them partially in front of the focal plane, but I could be wrong. Medium format focal plane shutters do exist, copal made them for Mamiya/Phase One for their AF, AFD, DF, DF+, and XF cameras. Some of which work for medium format film.
- ginko 10mo agoI think the most straightforward way to make a DIY focal plane shutter would be a cloth shutter actuated by electric motors. That'd get rid of most of the mechanical complexity and all the needed materials are readily available. https://japanhobbytool.com/collections/camera-repair-material/products/shuttercurtain?variant=46790017745118 https://japanhobbytool.com/collections/camera-repair-materia...
- galago 10mo agoThis is a viewfinder camera with scale focus. Rangefinders have a complex mechanism to measure distance which would be beyond the scope of this project. In early Leica cameras, the rangefinder and view finder were separate mechanisms on the same camera, and were combined in the Leica M series in the 1950s.
- galago 10mo agoOops! Correction: It is a rangefinder but uses lidar to measure the distance rather than parallax.
- geon 10mo agoI can't quite understand the article. What does the lidar have to do with medium format cameras?
- lizknope 10mo agoAre you familiar with how you focus a rangefinder camera like a Leica? You are NOT looking through the lens but a small viewfinder offset from the lens. The viewfinder is usually on the far left. Then there is another window a few inches away that are reflected at various angles by mirrors into the main viewfinder. When you focus the lens that angle of that mirror moves. This is what it looks like in the camera. https://licm.org.uk/livingImage/Rangefinder-Camera.html https://licm.org.uk/livingImage/Rangefinder-Camera.html Here are some internal diagrams showing how the light bounces around in the camera. https://leicaphilia.com/how-a-rangefinder-works/ https://leicaphilia.com/how-a-rangefinder-works/ https://www.macfilos.com/2024/11/22/fokus-pokus-time-to-reassess-the-role-of-the-rangefinder/ https://www.macfilos.com/2024/11/22/fokus-pokus-time-to-reas... In an SLR or compact camera or iphone the camera sensor or viewfinder is seeing through the lens that is used for taking the picture. So you adjust the lens until you see with your eye that it is in focus and that's it. With the rangefinder camera the viewfinder is ALWAYS in focus. So you use this secondary image (see the sheep in the first link) and when the 2 images overlap then you know the lens is now in focus. This camera in the article does not seem to be an optical rangefinder that I described above. When you look through the viewinder everything will be in focus as it is not looking through the lens. So how do you focus? Instead it uses LiDAR to measure the distance and display that within the viewfinder. It also displays the distance that the lens is currently focused at. Many lenses will have focus scales like this. https://www.pointsinfocus.com/blog/2010/07/modern-distance-scales-useless-fluff-or-useful-tool/ https://www.pointsinfocus.com/blog/2010/07/modern-distance-s... Here is the description from the camera's web site. "LiDAR" range-finding with high accuracy and distance up to 12m In-viewfinder display with Light-meter with aperture range set by selected lens Lens focus distance display, and LiDAR rangefinder distance display Focus accuracy indicator So I think you get 2 numbers, the lens focus distance, and the LiDAR distance and it is up to you to adjust the lens until the 2 numbers match. Or move closer or further away using your feet.
- bichiliad 10mo agoI just bought my first medium format camera recently. I know others have mentioned Lomography's beautiful new 35mm point-and-shoot, and I so wish for a 6x7 rangefinder that's cheap and attainable, easy to calibrate and repair, and portable. This sort of project is exciting to me, but man would I kill for a fully-featured medium-format camera with good support. The Mamiya 6 and 7 are both such incredible cameras, but they're so coveted and so boutique to repair that investing in one feels like not worth the commitment. For context, the camera I got is a Mamiya RZ67. It's obviously also not straightforward to repair, and it's a beast in size, but I love that it's a fraction of the cost, modular, and readily available.
- kaiuhl 10mo agoI don’t see it mentioned here yet in recommendations: Pentax 6x7 is an outstanding camera, especially paired with the 105mm f/2.4 lens. Some of my favorite photos ever have come from that pair.
- frompdx 10mo agoI'll offer a counterpoint. I have a 6x7 and it's heavy and cumbersome. I never use it.
- sebastianlay 10mo agoThe level of integration of little electronics (like the LiDAR and the OLED screen) into a print is amazing! I am thinking about an electronic light meter that is coupled to the shutter and saves the current reading to an SD card, so that you could later sync the EXIF data to the scans. Shameless plug: I have made a website that lists a lot of 3D printable film cameras (including the links to the print files). Feel free to have a look if you are thinking about printing your own camera. Some are really cheap and easy to print. https://printed.analogcamera.space https://printed.analogcamera.space
- dllu 10mo agoReally awesome design! It would be wise to replace some of those 3D printed parts with CNC parts, especially for places where a lot of strength is required (eyelets for those Peak Design anchors) or precision is required (lens mount). I myself have 3D printed some parts for my line scan camera too, so I can totally understand. [1] https://daniel.lawrence.lu/blog/2024-08-31-customizing-my-line-scan-camera/ https://daniel.lawrence.lu/blog/2024-08-31-customizing-my-li...
- fudged71 10mo agoI've watched maybe 10 DIY projects of this nature with 3D printing and this is by far the best image quality for the small size of the body. Incredible work
- nashashmi 10mo agoOn the topic of LiDAR, there is an interesting thing called UNITR. https://arxiv.org/abs/2308.07732#:~:text=In%20this%20paper%2C%20we%20present%20an%20efficient,processes%20a%20variety%20of%20modalities%20with%20unified https://arxiv.org/abs/2308.07732#:~:text=In%20this%20paper%2...