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As someone formally diagnosed with one of these mental illnesses, I can confidently say that coffee triggers a beneficial reaction to my illness as well as to o

by djaouen 10mo ago

As someone formally diagnosed with one of these mental illnesses, I can confidently say that coffee triggers a beneficial reaction to my illness as well as to other health-adjoint mechanisms in my body. To me, drinking coffee is like breathing air or eating food, and to go without it means symptom flare-ups.

temp0826 10mo ago
Sounds more like dependence/addiction to me
- GreekPete 10mo ago
  100% but people hate to admit it.
  - jama211 10mo ago
    I think what people hate to admit even less is that being judgmental like you are doing gives people a small power trip.
- jama211 10mo ago
  It’s not a disorder unless it’s causing problems in your life, definitionally. By that logic people are addicted to any medication they take long term that helps them manage any health condition. Hell, I must be addicted to eye drops because when I don’t use them I get dry eyes more often. Is that addiction/dependence? We must be careful not to find ways to be judgemental whether intentionally or not, especially when something is non-harmful and helpful to their life. It’s not a good behavioural pattern.
  - temp0826 10mo ago
    Relief of existing symptoms is one thing, relief of withdrawal symptoms caused by the lack of the substance is another. Stopping use of your eyedrops is not the root cause of your dry eyes. (Cry me a river :) I wouldn't consider that comment judgmental...definitely not as much as talking about people's "behavioral patterns" after reading a single sentence comment anyways)
    - jama211 10mo ago
      Nope, wrong again. Lots of important medication such as SSRI’s or cancer medications have withdrawal symptoms too but it would be ridiculous to say they were addicted to them. Withdrawal symptoms are not a good enough indicator of addiction. Addiction is far more complicated and you’re trying to force a square peg through a round hole. Also I was obviously talking about behavioural patterns in general, not judging that specific persons behaviours. The fact that you’d take what you’re doing (being judgemental) and try and paint me unsuccessfully as doing the same thing is an extremely bad faith tactic, and reveals to everyone here that you know exactly what you’re doing here. This isn’t reddit mate. Acting this way is not appreciated.
      - temp0826 10mo ago
        I never claimed someone's addiction was a disorder causing problems, that was your definition. Obviously prescription medication is a different situation, nothing is so black and white. Get off the high horse "mate", you're reading way too much into what I've said and trying putting words in my mouth to paint me as some judgmental jerk. It's not appreciated.
        jama211 10mo ago
        Have you considered that if you act like a judgemental jerk, people might call you out as one? Take responsibility for your actions.
        temp0826 10mo ago
        Right back at ya ;)
        jama211 10mo ago
        Paradox of tolerance
busymom0 10mo ago
Is it the coffee or caffeine in coffee? Do you feel the same benefits if you have decaffeinated coffee? Can you replace it with just caffeine pills to get same effect?
- djaouen 10mo ago
  I have not tried caffeine pills myself, but I have found caffeine in general to be slightly beneficial, but with coffee having the most pronounced effect on my symptoms.
  - cluckindan 10mo ago
    Likely an effect of MAO inhibitors in coffee. Caffeine itself is also a MAO inhibitor (in addition to its primary effect of adenosine receptor antagonism), but there are dozens of others in the brew.
rendall 10mo ago
Coffee's great. In the early morning, just the thought of a large cup of steaming black gets me out of bed with pep in my step. A cup of coffee or two in the afternoon always kicks the doldrums away. Before the grumpy start making noise, yes, I absolutely am addicted. If I miss two days, then I get a headache for three days. Still definitely worth it. Everybody should drink coffee. There is no good reason not to.
- dns_snek 10mo ago
  > Everybody should drink coffee. There is no good reason not to. They absolutely shouldn't. Many people suffer negative side effects from consuming coffee even if they don't realize it, like anxiety and jitters. Consuming stimulants is also a bad idea if you already have high blood pressure or heart rate. > The analysis found that participants with severe hypertension who drank two or more cups of coffee each day doubled their risk of dying from cardiovascular disease, compared to those who didn't drink coffee. Drinking just one cup of coffee or any amount of green tea – regardless of blood pressure level – did not raise the risk, the study showed. https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/12/21/people-with-very-high-blood-pressure-may-want-to-go-easy-on-the-coffee https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/12/21/people-with-very-hi...
  - rendall 10mo ago
    The claim that some people with high blood pressure may risk cardiovascular harm from coffee is supported, under certain conditions, especially severe hypertension and heavier consumption. This is true. The more general inference everybody with any high blood pressure or health risk should avoid coffee is not supported by the bulk of epidemiological evidence: moderate coffee use appears at worst neutral for many people, possibly beneficial for some. A comprehensive meta-analysis of decades' worth of cohort studies concluded that moderate coffee consumption (roughly 2-5 cups/day) was associated with a lower or neutral risk of cardiovascular disease overall (coronary heart disease, stroke, heart failure, CVD mortality) compared to no coffee. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3945962/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3945962/ So drink up! Drink all the coffees! Unless you are a reply-guy with severe heart problems and an uncontrollable compulsion to drink mass quantities, then talk to a doctor first. Also don't drink coffee if you don't like it, or you're a Mormon, a strict Seventh-day Adventist, a member of certain Pentecostal or Anabaptist groups, a Theravāda Buddhist monk, a strict Salafist, or part of a strict Ital-observant Rastafarian community. If in doubt, speak to your bishop, branch president, pastor, priest, imam, monk, or whoever guides your spiritual tradition.

by djaouen 10mo ago

temp0826 10mo ago

Sounds more like dependence/addiction to me

GreekPete 10mo ago
100% but people hate to admit it.
- jama211 10mo ago
  I think what people hate to admit even less is that being judgmental like you are doing gives people a small power trip.
jama211 10mo ago
It’s not a disorder unless it’s causing problems in your life, definitionally. By that logic people are addicted to any medication they take long term that helps them manage any health condition. Hell, I must be addicted to eye drops because when I don’t use them I get dry eyes more often. Is that addiction/dependence? We must be careful not to find ways to be judgemental whether intentionally or not, especially when something is non-harmful and helpful to their life. It’s not a good behavioural pattern.
- temp0826 10mo ago
  Relief of existing symptoms is one thing, relief of withdrawal symptoms caused by the lack of the substance is another. Stopping use of your eyedrops is not the root cause of your dry eyes. (Cry me a river :) I wouldn't consider that comment judgmental...definitely not as much as talking about people's "behavioral patterns" after reading a single sentence comment anyways)
  - jama211 10mo ago
    Nope, wrong again. Lots of important medication such as SSRI’s or cancer medications have withdrawal symptoms too but it would be ridiculous to say they were addicted to them. Withdrawal symptoms are not a good enough indicator of addiction. Addiction is far more complicated and you’re trying to force a square peg through a round hole. Also I was obviously talking about behavioural patterns in general, not judging that specific persons behaviours. The fact that you’d take what you’re doing (being judgemental) and try and paint me unsuccessfully as doing the same thing is an extremely bad faith tactic, and reveals to everyone here that you know exactly what you’re doing here. This isn’t reddit mate. Acting this way is not appreciated.
    - temp0826 10mo ago
      I never claimed someone's addiction was a disorder causing problems, that was your definition. Obviously prescription medication is a different situation, nothing is so black and white. Get off the high horse "mate", you're reading way too much into what I've said and trying putting words in my mouth to paint me as some judgmental jerk. It's not appreciated.
      - jama211 10mo ago
        Have you considered that if you act like a judgemental jerk, people might call you out as one? Take responsibility for your actions.
        temp0826 10mo ago
        Right back at ya ;)
        jama211 10mo ago
        Paradox of tolerance

busymom0 10mo ago

Is it the coffee or caffeine in coffee? Do you feel the same benefits if you have decaffeinated coffee? Can you replace it with just caffeine pills to get same effect?

djaouen 10mo ago
I have not tried caffeine pills myself, but I have found caffeine in general to be slightly beneficial, but with coffee having the most pronounced effect on my symptoms.
- cluckindan 10mo ago
  Likely an effect of MAO inhibitors in coffee. Caffeine itself is also a MAO inhibitor (in addition to its primary effect of adenosine receptor antagonism), but there are dozens of others in the brew.

rendall 10mo ago

Coffee's great. In the early morning, just the thought of a large cup of steaming black gets me out of bed with pep in my step. A cup of coffee or two in the afternoon always kicks the doldrums away. Before the grumpy start making noise, yes, I absolutely am addicted. If I miss two days, then I get a headache for three days. Still definitely worth it. Everybody should drink coffee. There is no good reason not to.

dns_snek 10mo ago
> Everybody should drink coffee. There is no good reason not to. They absolutely shouldn't. Many people suffer negative side effects from consuming coffee even if they don't realize it, like anxiety and jitters. Consuming stimulants is also a bad idea if you already have high blood pressure or heart rate. > The analysis found that participants with severe hypertension who drank two or more cups of coffee each day doubled their risk of dying from cardiovascular disease, compared to those who didn't drink coffee. Drinking just one cup of coffee or any amount of green tea – regardless of blood pressure level – did not raise the risk, the study showed. https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/12/21/people-with-very-high-blood-pressure-may-want-to-go-easy-on-the-coffee https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/12/21/people-with-very-hi...
- rendall 10mo ago
  The claim that some people with high blood pressure may risk cardiovascular harm from coffee is supported, under certain conditions, especially severe hypertension and heavier consumption. This is true. The more general inference everybody with any high blood pressure or health risk should avoid coffee is not supported by the bulk of epidemiological evidence: moderate coffee use appears at worst neutral for many people, possibly beneficial for some. A comprehensive meta-analysis of decades' worth of cohort studies concluded that moderate coffee consumption (roughly 2-5 cups/day) was associated with a lower or neutral risk of cardiovascular disease overall (coronary heart disease, stroke, heart failure, CVD mortality) compared to no coffee. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3945962/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3945962/ So drink up! Drink all the coffees! Unless you are a reply-guy with severe heart problems and an uncontrollable compulsion to drink mass quantities, then talk to a doctor first. Also don't drink coffee if you don't like it, or you're a Mormon, a strict Seventh-day Adventist, a member of certain Pentecostal or Anabaptist groups, a Theravāda Buddhist monk, a strict Salafist, or part of a strict Ital-observant Rastafarian community. If in doubt, speak to your bishop, branch president, pastor, priest, imam, monk, or whoever guides your spiritual tradition.