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It's not only Russia, it's also China and Iran. It's very easy today to control social media conversation by participating as both sides and creating hate. It's

by breppp 11mo ago

It's not only Russia, it's also China and Iran. It's very easy today to control social media conversation by participating as both sides and creating hate. It's actually possible to remotely organize demonstrations, create entire movements from afar If steering far off (based on Iran's MO in Israel for example) with a little bit of bitcoin and time you can hire someone to do anything for you in a foreign country. This includes graffiti, burning cars, moving weapons and finally assasinations. Because democracies are so dependent on voters opinions, and organizations that have a vested interest in the failure of a state now have influence, this can be catastrophic (brexit, covid vaccines, race wars) Can't say I support cracking down on free speech, but IMO that's exactly what we're going to see, especially in Europe where Defensive Democracy is already in place

constantcrying 11mo ago
>It's not only Russia, it's also China Those have even worse reputations than Russia and even fewer and more fringe supporters. Iran shills are solely Iranian nationals or their descendants. China shills are some niche communists.
- breppp 11mo ago
  These are not people shilling for these countries, these are people in the west that are not aware they are being played for these agendas. Usually the play is something a country like Russia has zero interest in apart for weakening the west, e.g. pizzagate. For a recent example, that time when scottish independence accounts disappeared when Israel bombed Iran https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/dozens-of-pro-indy-accounts-go-dark-after-israeli-strikes/ https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/dozens-of-pro-indy-accounts-...
  - constantcrying 11mo ago
    And this mean I should allow the EU to surveil all my communications? That is a pretty bizarre argument.
    - breppp 11mo ago
      No, if you will reread that was never my argument. What I was saying is that this is the real reason why speech is now curtailed and why this will get worse
      - constantcrying 11mo ago
        But the reason is absurd. None of this propaganda is effective in any way, the influence is irrelevant.
        breppp 11mo ago
        I disagree, we are living in one of the most turmoiled eras worldwide since the 1940s, so something must be happening

by breppp 11mo ago

constantcrying 11mo ago

>It's not only Russia, it's also China Those have even worse reputations than Russia and even fewer and more fringe supporters. Iran shills are solely Iranian nationals or their descendants. China shills are some niche communists.

breppp 11mo ago
These are not people shilling for these countries, these are people in the west that are not aware they are being played for these agendas. Usually the play is something a country like Russia has zero interest in apart for weakening the west, e.g. pizzagate. For a recent example, that time when scottish independence accounts disappeared when Israel bombed Iran https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/dozens-of-pro-indy-accounts-go-dark-after-israeli-strikes/ https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/dozens-of-pro-indy-accounts-...
- constantcrying 11mo ago
  And this mean I should allow the EU to surveil all my communications? That is a pretty bizarre argument.
  - breppp 11mo ago
    No, if you will reread that was never my argument. What I was saying is that this is the real reason why speech is now curtailed and why this will get worse
    - constantcrying 11mo ago
      But the reason is absurd. None of this propaganda is effective in any way, the influence is irrelevant.
      - breppp 11mo ago
        I disagree, we are living in one of the most turmoiled eras worldwide since the 1940s, so something must be happening