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Yes, the OP claims many small-fleet drivers are being overworked, but provides zero evidence of it. By evidence, I mean data, not anecdotes. Do you have data on

by cs702 10mo ago

Yes, the OP claims many small-fleet drivers are being overworked, but provides zero evidence of it. By evidence, I mean data, not anecdotes. Do you have data on this? --- EDIT: Link to data is at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46173013 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46173013 It looks like crash rates jumped after the pandemic, then declined in 2022 and 2023, contradicting the OP.

jezzamon 10mo ago
The article provide this: "Despite billions spent on safety technology, fatal truck-involved crashes are up ≈40% since 2014" Though I wonder how much that number compares to how much the trucking industry grew in that time. If it grew 200% that would actually mean a big win for safety. Edit: some quick, AI driven research suggests it might've grown 20%. So... Still an issue
- cs702 10mo ago
  I just looked briefly at the data provided by the NHTSA, and what I see is a jump after the pandemic, followed by declines in 2022 and 2023, contradicting the OP: https://www.nhtsa.gov/crash-data-systems/fatality-analysis-reporting-system https://www.nhtsa.gov/crash-data-systems/fatality-analysis-r... https://highways.dot.gov/safety/learn-safety/roadway-safety-data-dashboards https://highways.dot.gov/safety/learn-safety/roadway-safety-...
  - jezzamon 10mo ago
    Good find!
    - Tadpole9181 10mo ago
      No, he's intentionally misconstruing the data. It spiked and went down, but it's still almost 50% higher than 2014 - the article's date range.
  - xethos 10mo ago
    Because you only went to 2018. The article mentions 2014, and if we use your own DOT tool to build a table [0] from 2013 to 2023 (the latest year available), and filter to include large trucks and fatal collisions, we see... a ~42% increase in fatal accidents from 2014-2023 [0] https://cdan.dot.gov/files/files/e2451bc7-e1c3-4942-93f2-af6b62fb6be5/content?continue https://cdan.dot.gov/files/files/e2451bc7-e1c3-4942-93f2-af6...
    - usefulcat 10mo ago
      I get a 401 unauthorized for that link
      - xethos 10mo ago
        Yeah, me too. I tried to avoid linking the actual page (the generated table has a yellow banner explicitely calling out that the link cannot be bookmarked), but with a private window I get 401'd too. Unfortunately I don't have time to go beyond an imgur link, or asking you to generate the table yourself :/ https://imgur.com/a/Zn0UFbG https://imgur.com/a/Zn0UFbG
  - usefulcat 10mo ago
    Your second link shows a slight reduction from '21 to '22, but even then it's still significantly higher than during '18 - '20. And it doesn't show anything prior to '18.

by cs702 10mo ago

jezzamon 10mo ago

The article provide this: "Despite billions spent on safety technology, fatal truck-involved crashes are up ≈40% since 2014" Though I wonder how much that number compares to how much the trucking industry grew in that time. If it grew 200% that would actually mean a big win for safety. Edit: some quick, AI driven research suggests it might've grown 20%. So... Still an issue

cs702 10mo ago
I just looked briefly at the data provided by the NHTSA, and what I see is a jump after the pandemic, followed by declines in 2022 and 2023, contradicting the OP: https://www.nhtsa.gov/crash-data-systems/fatality-analysis-reporting-system https://www.nhtsa.gov/crash-data-systems/fatality-analysis-r... https://highways.dot.gov/safety/learn-safety/roadway-safety-data-dashboards https://highways.dot.gov/safety/learn-safety/roadway-safety-...
- jezzamon 10mo ago
  Good find!
  - Tadpole9181 10mo ago
    No, he's intentionally misconstruing the data. It spiked and went down, but it's still almost 50% higher than 2014 - the article's date range.
- xethos 10mo ago
  Because you only went to 2018. The article mentions 2014, and if we use your own DOT tool to build a table [0] from 2013 to 2023 (the latest year available), and filter to include large trucks and fatal collisions, we see... a ~42% increase in fatal accidents from 2014-2023 [0] https://cdan.dot.gov/files/files/e2451bc7-e1c3-4942-93f2-af6b62fb6be5/content?continue https://cdan.dot.gov/files/files/e2451bc7-e1c3-4942-93f2-af6...
  - usefulcat 10mo ago
    I get a 401 unauthorized for that link
    - xethos 10mo ago
      Yeah, me too. I tried to avoid linking the actual page (the generated table has a yellow banner explicitely calling out that the link cannot be bookmarked), but with a private window I get 401'd too. Unfortunately I don't have time to go beyond an imgur link, or asking you to generate the table yourself :/ https://imgur.com/a/Zn0UFbG https://imgur.com/a/Zn0UFbG
- usefulcat 10mo ago
  Your second link shows a slight reduction from '21 to '22, but even then it's still significantly higher than during '18 - '20. And it doesn't show anything prior to '18.