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Part of the same project as Bazzite (Universal Blue) so it's just a static Fedora with some added programs and bash scripts. "Aurora is a paradigm shift for Li

Part of the same project as Bazzite (Universal Blue) so it's just a static Fedora with some added programs and bash scripts. "Aurora is a paradigm shift for Linux." "Dream about the stars" "Launch a space rocket" - everything about this, down to the choice of the crudely drawn desktop wallpaper, suggests to me that this was done by very young people. If a few kids want to make themselves a "distro" like this, go for it, just don't advertise it as anything more than a simple pet project, let alone a "paradigm shift".

microtonal 11mo ago
I think the paradigm shift is/was Fedora Silverblue, OSTree/bootc. Using these immutable distro tools makes it really easy to build your own distributions. Besides that, IIRC this is based on Fedora, so it stands on the shoulders of over two decades of work on Fedora.
- GaryBluto 11mo ago
  > Besides that, IIRC this is based on Fedora, so it stands on the shoulders of over two decades of work on Fedora. Surely I'd use Fedora Silverblue if I wanted an immutable Fedora.
  - fa3556 11mo ago
    Maybe. The appeal of distros like these is lost on those who know linux well. If you are new to linux, the difference between Aurora/Bazzite/Bluefin and base fedora (silverblue, kinoite) can be like day and night.
  - omnimus 11mo ago
    The catch with immutable linux is that it can be hard or undesirable to install some core parts like window managers or docker. So much better approach is to get most of what you prefer by picking right distro. On the other hand ublue makes it very upproachable to make such distros (even yourself). Thats why there are so many of them.
- A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 11mo ago
  This. In similar vein, buddy just converted few people to bazzite. I think the idea itself is neat ( we are only a step away now from combining that and qubes ). I am on kinoite myself for my ai dedicated box.
sevensor 11mo ago
> Launch a space rocket I looked at their website and found no DISA STIG documents. I wonder what jurisdiction they’re planning on launching space rockets from?
hnlmorg 11mo ago
Yeah, I do see what you mean. I wonder if the unspoken “paradigm” shift is the distribution was vibe coded. There’s a lot of contradictions on the landing page that would easily be explained by either kids writing it, or someone vibecoding the site. Such as their claim that updates are a “single iso”, and also their claim about a single App Store, and they then go on to discuss flatpak and homebrew package management. Or their claim to have redesigned the desktop from the ground up, while boasting they run KDE/Plasma. And there’s also the claims that it brings something totally new while then going on to describe core Linux features. Also the scripts running “non intrusively” yet that’s just what you’d expect any seasoned admin to do. This isn’t a headline feature unless you’re new to the game. Good luck to the guys. I hope they enjoy the exercise. But this is definitely a hobby project cosplaying as a serious distro
- Timon3 11mo ago
  I'm not sure where some of these "contradictions" come from, as I e.g. can't find anything about them having "redesigned the desktop" on the page with those keywords. But for the rest, I don't see how they are contradictory - at least if you've spent a few seconds to understand them. > Such as their claim that updates are a “single iso” Updates literally are a "single image" (didn't see "iso" mentioned). Where is the contradiction? > and also their claim about a single App Store, and they then go on to discuss flatpak and homebrew package management. There literally is a single app store. Homebrew is not used to install apps, only for CLI tools. Flatpak is the single app store which users use to install apps (through Bazaar). Where is the contradiction? > And there’s also the claims that it brings something totally new while then going on to describe core Linux features. Can you explain what exactly you're referring to? > Also the scripts running “non intrusively” yet that’s just what you’d expect any seasoned admin to do. This isn’t a headline feature unless you’re new to the game. This distribution isn't targeted at "seasoned admins", so why wouldn't they mention something relevant to their target group? No contradiction here.
  - hnlmorg 11mo ago
    > on the page with those keywords Yeah I was typing from memory on phone. So the citations aren’t going to be verbatim. > Updates literally are a "single image" (didn't see "iso" mentioned). Where is the contradiction? Because that’s not how homebrew works. And you can’t have a single image if you’re expecting people to install apps via their multiple different endorsed delivery mechanisms. > There literally is a single app store. Homebrew is not used to install apps, only for CLI tools. Flatpak is the single app store which users use to install apps (through Bazaar). Where is the contradiction? Because an App Store is ostensibly just a package manager. I get they’re making a distinction between desktop apps and CLI (homebrew does GUI apps too by the way), but when their emphasis is on “easy” and “one way to do things”, having two different ways to install apps contradicts their mission statement. If they actually cared about this mission statement AND had half the competence they claim, they’d build a unified UI that supports all use cases rather than expect people to learn those different tools and why it matters that they’re different. > Can you explain what exactly you're referring to? “Aurora is a paradigm shift for Linux. To rethink the Linux Desktop experience from the ground up, we built Aurora on new technology and principles.” Bazaar, Plasma, homebrew, etc. none of this is unique to Thor distribution. They also boast about being able to rollback updates. That isn’t new to Linux either. Though I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that they’ve created a smoother default experience here. > This distribution isn't targeted at "seasoned admins", so why wouldn't they mention something relevant to their target group? No contradiction here. i didn’t say thy are targeting seasoned admins. I said seasoned admins would take for granted that’s how you’d write that code. So wouldn’t even consider it something to announce. The only reason you’d announce it would be because you hadn’t worked in this space before and feel a sense of achievement doing the bloody obvious. (And to be clear, I have zero issue with people having projects like these to learn new skills) Also, I clearly didn’t say “literally everything was a contradiction.” I am interested who you think this is targeting. Because they do specifically say this is for developers (amongst other people). And the reason they give (VSCode) is a pretty noob argument. If you can’t figure out how to install an IDE then you’re clearly tech savvy enough to be a developer.

microtonal 11mo ago

I think the paradigm shift is/was Fedora Silverblue, OSTree/bootc. Using these immutable distro tools makes it really easy to build your own distributions. Besides that, IIRC this is based on Fedora, so it stands on the shoulders of over two decades of work on Fedora.

GaryBluto 11mo ago
> Besides that, IIRC this is based on Fedora, so it stands on the shoulders of over two decades of work on Fedora. Surely I'd use Fedora Silverblue if I wanted an immutable Fedora.
- fa3556 11mo ago
  Maybe. The appeal of distros like these is lost on those who know linux well. If you are new to linux, the difference between Aurora/Bazzite/Bluefin and base fedora (silverblue, kinoite) can be like day and night.
- omnimus 11mo ago
  The catch with immutable linux is that it can be hard or undesirable to install some core parts like window managers or docker. So much better approach is to get most of what you prefer by picking right distro. On the other hand ublue makes it very upproachable to make such distros (even yourself). Thats why there are so many of them.
A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 11mo ago
This. In similar vein, buddy just converted few people to bazzite. I think the idea itself is neat ( we are only a step away now from combining that and qubes ). I am on kinoite myself for my ai dedicated box.

sevensor 11mo ago

> Launch a space rocket I looked at their website and found no DISA STIG documents. I wonder what jurisdiction they’re planning on launching space rockets from?

hnlmorg 11mo ago

Yeah, I do see what you mean. I wonder if the unspoken “paradigm” shift is the distribution was vibe coded. There’s a lot of contradictions on the landing page that would easily be explained by either kids writing it, or someone vibecoding the site. Such as their claim that updates are a “single iso”, and also their claim about a single App Store, and they then go on to discuss flatpak and homebrew package management. Or their claim to have redesigned the desktop from the ground up, while boasting they run KDE/Plasma. And there’s also the claims that it brings something totally new while then going on to describe core Linux features. Also the scripts running “non intrusively” yet that’s just what you’d expect any seasoned admin to do. This isn’t a headline feature unless you’re new to the game. Good luck to the guys. I hope they enjoy the exercise. But this is definitely a hobby project cosplaying as a serious distro

Timon3 11mo ago
I'm not sure where some of these "contradictions" come from, as I e.g. can't find anything about them having "redesigned the desktop" on the page with those keywords. But for the rest, I don't see how they are contradictory - at least if you've spent a few seconds to understand them. > Such as their claim that updates are a “single iso” Updates literally are a "single image" (didn't see "iso" mentioned). Where is the contradiction? > and also their claim about a single App Store, and they then go on to discuss flatpak and homebrew package management. There literally is a single app store. Homebrew is not used to install apps, only for CLI tools. Flatpak is the single app store which users use to install apps (through Bazaar). Where is the contradiction? > And there’s also the claims that it brings something totally new while then going on to describe core Linux features. Can you explain what exactly you're referring to? > Also the scripts running “non intrusively” yet that’s just what you’d expect any seasoned admin to do. This isn’t a headline feature unless you’re new to the game. This distribution isn't targeted at "seasoned admins", so why wouldn't they mention something relevant to their target group? No contradiction here.
- hnlmorg 11mo ago
  > on the page with those keywords Yeah I was typing from memory on phone. So the citations aren’t going to be verbatim. > Updates literally are a "single image" (didn't see "iso" mentioned). Where is the contradiction? Because that’s not how homebrew works. And you can’t have a single image if you’re expecting people to install apps via their multiple different endorsed delivery mechanisms. > There literally is a single app store. Homebrew is not used to install apps, only for CLI tools. Flatpak is the single app store which users use to install apps (through Bazaar). Where is the contradiction? Because an App Store is ostensibly just a package manager. I get they’re making a distinction between desktop apps and CLI (homebrew does GUI apps too by the way), but when their emphasis is on “easy” and “one way to do things”, having two different ways to install apps contradicts their mission statement. If they actually cared about this mission statement AND had half the competence they claim, they’d build a unified UI that supports all use cases rather than expect people to learn those different tools and why it matters that they’re different. > Can you explain what exactly you're referring to? “Aurora is a paradigm shift for Linux. To rethink the Linux Desktop experience from the ground up, we built Aurora on new technology and principles.” Bazaar, Plasma, homebrew, etc. none of this is unique to Thor distribution. They also boast about being able to rollback updates. That isn’t new to Linux either. Though I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that they’ve created a smoother default experience here. > This distribution isn't targeted at "seasoned admins", so why wouldn't they mention something relevant to their target group? No contradiction here. i didn’t say thy are targeting seasoned admins. I said seasoned admins would take for granted that’s how you’d write that code. So wouldn’t even consider it something to announce. The only reason you’d announce it would be because you hadn’t worked in this space before and feel a sense of achievement doing the bloody obvious. (And to be clear, I have zero issue with people having projects like these to learn new skills) Also, I clearly didn’t say “literally everything was a contradiction.” I am interested who you think this is targeting. Because they do specifically say this is for developers (amongst other people). And the reason they give (VSCode) is a pretty noob argument. If you can’t figure out how to install an IDE then you’re clearly tech savvy enough to be a developer.