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They could implement a similar system to what Facebook currently provides when doing research with platform data. I think they only allow access to carefully co

They could implement a similar system to what Facebook currently provides when doing research with platform data. I think they only allow access to carefully controlled data through a remote sandboxed environment. I think Twitter is already providing access to this data through paid APIs too, so this is effectively subsidizing researcher access.

alephnerd 11mo ago
Probably, but as I mentioned before, the EU has been using the DSA as a negotiating tool against the US - just like we are using Free Speech absolutism and "censorship" as a tool against the EU in negotiations. Unlike other major tech companies like Meta or Alphabet that fall under the DSA, X doesn't have a similar presence in the EU to give it a firewall. Alphabet has Poland on it's side [0], Meta has Ireland on it's side [1], Amazon has Luxembourg on it's side [2], and Microsoft has Czechia on it's side [7][8][9], and because of Musk's ties to the GOP, it becomes a useful political lever while not directly hurting individual EU states. If X somehow complies, some other issue will crop up against (eg.) Tesla despite the Gigafactory because Brandenburg is a lost cause if you aren't affilated with the AfD or BSW. It's the same reason why X doesn't push back when India passes a diktat because Indian law holds corporate leaders criminally liable and X has a significant India presence [10] It's the same way how if you want to hold Germany by the balls you pressure Volkswagen [3] and if you want to pressure France [4] you target LVMH's cognac, scotch, and wine business [5]. This is a major reason why companies try to build GCCs abroad as well - being in the same room gives some leverage when negotiating regulations. Hence why Czechia, Finland, Luxembourg, and Greece pushed back against French attempts at cloud sovereignty [6] because OVHCloud only has a presence in France and Poland, but Amazon and Microsoft have large capital presences in the other 4. [0] - https://www.gov.pl/web/primeminister/google-invests-billions-in-polands-digital-future https://www.gov.pl/web/primeminister/google-invests-billions... [1] - https://www.euractiv.com/news/irish-privacy-regulator-picks-ex-meta-lobbyist-as-third-commissioner/ https://www.euractiv.com/news/irish-privacy-regulator-picks-... [2] - https://www.aboutamazon.eu/news/policy/amazon-leaders-meet-luxembourg-prime-minister-luc-frieden-in-seattle https://www.aboutamazon.eu/news/policy/amazon-leaders-meet-l... [3] - https://www.ft.com/content/6ec91d4a-2f37-4a01-9132-6c7ae5b06d5d https://www.ft.com/content/6ec91d4a-2f37-4a01-9132-6c7ae5b06... [4] - https://videos.senat.fr/video.5409997_682ddabf64695.aides-aux-grandes-entreprises--audition-de-bernard-arnault https://videos.senat.fr/video.5409997_682ddabf64695.aides-au... [5] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-07-03/eu-fight-against-trump-s-tariffs-is-blunted-by-corporate-lobbying https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-07-03/eu-fight-... [6] - https://www.euractiv.com/news/eu-digital-ministers-push-against-cloud-sovereignty-definition-that-would-block-us/ https://www.euractiv.com/news/eu-digital-ministers-push-agai... [7] - https://nukib.gov.cz/en/infoservis-en/news/2276-nukib-and-microsoft-confirm-cybersecurity-cooperation-by-signing-a-memorandum/ https://nukib.gov.cz/en/infoservis-en/news/2276-nukib-and-mi... [8] - https://news.microsoft.com/europe/2017/03/31/satya-nadella-visits-central-eastern-europe/ https://news.microsoft.com/europe/2017/03/31/satya-nadella-v... [9] - https://mpo.gov.cz/en/guidepost/for-the-media/press-releases/microsoft-launches-ai-national-skilling-plan-in-the-czech-republic-in-the-first-phase-of-the-project--it-will-invest-over-czk-10-million-in-training---288303/ https://mpo.gov.cz/en/guidepost/for-the-media/press-releases... [10] - https://www.glassdoor.com/Location/X-Bengaluru-Location-EI_IE100569.0,1_IL.2,11_IC2940587.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Location/X-Bengaluru-Location-EI_I...
- deaux 11mo ago
  The DSA is decades overdue. It's absurd that there hasn't been one. There's also a dozen non-EU countries that have one, and that number has been growing rapidly. To call it a "negotiation tool" is like calling literally any import tax or tariff - of which hundreds of thousands existed and were entirely accepted as squarely in the Overton Window long before Trump took office - purely a "negotiation tool". Just because it's new doesn't make it one any more so than such import taxes which have been around for ages.
  - alephnerd 11mo ago
    > There's also a dozen non-EU countries that have one, and that number has been growing rapidly Not really. Most of them offer significant carve-outs for American BigTech companies, or their implementation has been stayed, or significant capex subsidizes are provided to help reduce their impact for American BigTechs considering FDI in those countries. It has been a DNC supported policy [0] as well to put pressure on countries that are even considering a digital services act. Heck the Biden admin began the process of making a legal example out of Canada [1] as a warning shot to other countries considering such options. > To call it a "negotiation tool" is like calling literally any import tax or tariff ... purely a "negotiation tool". That is what import taxes and tariffs are when not clubbed with subsidizes and formal sector specific industrial policy, because the act of giving MFN status to certain nations is itself a negotiating tactic. Canada's backing down on a digital service tax is a good example of that [2] The whole point of (eg.) giving the UK preferential market access to the US over the EU, and giving Japan and South Korea preferential market access to the US over China is because it is a lever we can use when negotiating. Heck, France and Germany have both constantly tried leveraging tariffs and import taxes as a negotiating tactic against the US under the Biden admin [3][4] (and of course earlier). As I mentioned above, this has been a slow-rolling negotiation between the US and EU since 2019. We in the US have bipartisan support to oppose the DSA and DSA-equivalents abroad. It was prominent stance in the Biden administration [0], and even Harris would have put a similar degree of pressure on the EU. We have no obligation to give Europeans a red carpet, and you guys are not in a position to push back anyhow. The Chinese [5] and Russians have given similar ultimatums to the EU as well. What are you going to do? Sign an FTA with India and then face the same problem in 10 years with them? You guys have fallen into the same trap that the Mughal and Qing Empires fell into in the 18th-19th century. Anyhow, we've unofficially signalled we are leaving the responsibility of Europe's defenses to Europe by 2027 [6] - meaning member states have no choice but to end up buying American gear or completely vacillate to Russia on Ukraine. [0] - https://www.finance.senate.gov/chairmans-news/-wyden-and-crapo-call-on-biden-administration-to-fight-eu-digital-trade-policies-that-discriminate-against-us-workers-and-employers https://www.finance.senate.gov/chairmans-news/-wyden-and-cra... [1] - https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-offices/press-office/press-releases/2024/august/united-states-requests-usmca-dispute-settlement-consultations-canadas-digital-services-tax https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-offices/press-office/press-... [2] - https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/news/2025/06/canada-rescinds-digital-services-tax-to-advance-broader-trade-negotiations-with-the-united-states.html https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/news/2025/06/can... [3] - https://www.politico.eu/article/france-and-germany-find-ground-on-a-common-concern-u-s-protectionism/ https://www.politico.eu/article/france-and-germany-find-grou... [4] - https://www.institutmontaigne.org/en/expressions/real-reasons-why-europe-concerned-us-inflation-reduction-act https://www.institutmontaigne.org/en/expressions/real-reason... [5] - https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3316875/china-tells-eu-it-cannot-afford-russian-loss-ukraine-war-sources-say https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3316875/ch... [6] - https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-sets-2027-deadline-europe-led-nato-defense-officials-say-2025-12-05/ https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-sets-2...

alephnerd 11mo ago

Probably, but as I mentioned before, the EU has been using the DSA as a negotiating tool against the US - just like we are using Free Speech absolutism and "censorship" as a tool against the EU in negotiations. Unlike other major tech companies like Meta or Alphabet that fall under the DSA, X doesn't have a similar presence in the EU to give it a firewall. Alphabet has Poland on it's side [0], Meta has Ireland on it's side [1], Amazon has Luxembourg on it's side [2], and Microsoft has Czechia on it's side [7][8][9], and because of Musk's ties to the GOP, it becomes a useful political lever while not directly hurting individual EU states. If X somehow complies, some other issue will crop up against (eg.) Tesla despite the Gigafactory because Brandenburg is a lost cause if you aren't affilated with the AfD or BSW. It's the same reason why X doesn't push back when India passes a diktat because Indian law holds corporate leaders criminally liable and X has a significant India presence [10] It's the same way how if you want to hold Germany by the balls you pressure Volkswagen [3] and if you want to pressure France [4] you target LVMH's cognac, scotch, and wine business [5]. This is a major reason why companies try to build GCCs abroad as well - being in the same room gives some leverage when negotiating regulations. Hence why Czechia, Finland, Luxembourg, and Greece pushed back against French attempts at cloud sovereignty [6] because OVHCloud only has a presence in France and Poland, but Amazon and Microsoft have large capital presences in the other 4. [0] - https://www.gov.pl/web/primeminister/google-invests-billions-in-polands-digital-future https://www.gov.pl/web/primeminister/google-invests-billions... [1] - https://www.euractiv.com/news/irish-privacy-regulator-picks-ex-meta-lobbyist-as-third-commissioner/ https://www.euractiv.com/news/irish-privacy-regulator-picks-... [2] - https://www.aboutamazon.eu/news/policy/amazon-leaders-meet-luxembourg-prime-minister-luc-frieden-in-seattle https://www.aboutamazon.eu/news/policy/amazon-leaders-meet-l... [3] - https://www.ft.com/content/6ec91d4a-2f37-4a01-9132-6c7ae5b06d5d https://www.ft.com/content/6ec91d4a-2f37-4a01-9132-6c7ae5b06... [4] - https://videos.senat.fr/video.5409997_682ddabf64695.aides-aux-grandes-entreprises--audition-de-bernard-arnault https://videos.senat.fr/video.5409997_682ddabf64695.aides-au... [5] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-07-03/eu-fight-against-trump-s-tariffs-is-blunted-by-corporate-lobbying https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-07-03/eu-fight-... [6] - https://www.euractiv.com/news/eu-digital-ministers-push-against-cloud-sovereignty-definition-that-would-block-us/ https://www.euractiv.com/news/eu-digital-ministers-push-agai... [7] - https://nukib.gov.cz/en/infoservis-en/news/2276-nukib-and-microsoft-confirm-cybersecurity-cooperation-by-signing-a-memorandum/ https://nukib.gov.cz/en/infoservis-en/news/2276-nukib-and-mi... [8] - https://news.microsoft.com/europe/2017/03/31/satya-nadella-visits-central-eastern-europe/ https://news.microsoft.com/europe/2017/03/31/satya-nadella-v... [9] - https://mpo.gov.cz/en/guidepost/for-the-media/press-releases/microsoft-launches-ai-national-skilling-plan-in-the-czech-republic-in-the-first-phase-of-the-project--it-will-invest-over-czk-10-million-in-training---288303/ https://mpo.gov.cz/en/guidepost/for-the-media/press-releases... [10] - https://www.glassdoor.com/Location/X-Bengaluru-Location-EI_IE100569.0,1_IL.2,11_IC2940587.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Location/X-Bengaluru-Location-EI_I...

deaux 11mo ago
The DSA is decades overdue. It's absurd that there hasn't been one. There's also a dozen non-EU countries that have one, and that number has been growing rapidly. To call it a "negotiation tool" is like calling literally any import tax or tariff - of which hundreds of thousands existed and were entirely accepted as squarely in the Overton Window long before Trump took office - purely a "negotiation tool". Just because it's new doesn't make it one any more so than such import taxes which have been around for ages.
- alephnerd 11mo ago
  > There's also a dozen non-EU countries that have one, and that number has been growing rapidly Not really. Most of them offer significant carve-outs for American BigTech companies, or their implementation has been stayed, or significant capex subsidizes are provided to help reduce their impact for American BigTechs considering FDI in those countries. It has been a DNC supported policy [0] as well to put pressure on countries that are even considering a digital services act. Heck the Biden admin began the process of making a legal example out of Canada [1] as a warning shot to other countries considering such options. > To call it a "negotiation tool" is like calling literally any import tax or tariff ... purely a "negotiation tool". That is what import taxes and tariffs are when not clubbed with subsidizes and formal sector specific industrial policy, because the act of giving MFN status to certain nations is itself a negotiating tactic. Canada's backing down on a digital service tax is a good example of that [2] The whole point of (eg.) giving the UK preferential market access to the US over the EU, and giving Japan and South Korea preferential market access to the US over China is because it is a lever we can use when negotiating. Heck, France and Germany have both constantly tried leveraging tariffs and import taxes as a negotiating tactic against the US under the Biden admin [3][4] (and of course earlier). As I mentioned above, this has been a slow-rolling negotiation between the US and EU since 2019. We in the US have bipartisan support to oppose the DSA and DSA-equivalents abroad. It was prominent stance in the Biden administration [0], and even Harris would have put a similar degree of pressure on the EU. We have no obligation to give Europeans a red carpet, and you guys are not in a position to push back anyhow. The Chinese [5] and Russians have given similar ultimatums to the EU as well. What are you going to do? Sign an FTA with India and then face the same problem in 10 years with them? You guys have fallen into the same trap that the Mughal and Qing Empires fell into in the 18th-19th century. Anyhow, we've unofficially signalled we are leaving the responsibility of Europe's defenses to Europe by 2027 [6] - meaning member states have no choice but to end up buying American gear or completely vacillate to Russia on Ukraine. [0] - https://www.finance.senate.gov/chairmans-news/-wyden-and-crapo-call-on-biden-administration-to-fight-eu-digital-trade-policies-that-discriminate-against-us-workers-and-employers https://www.finance.senate.gov/chairmans-news/-wyden-and-cra... [1] - https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-offices/press-office/press-releases/2024/august/united-states-requests-usmca-dispute-settlement-consultations-canadas-digital-services-tax https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-offices/press-office/press-... [2] - https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/news/2025/06/canada-rescinds-digital-services-tax-to-advance-broader-trade-negotiations-with-the-united-states.html https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/news/2025/06/can... [3] - https://www.politico.eu/article/france-and-germany-find-ground-on-a-common-concern-u-s-protectionism/ https://www.politico.eu/article/france-and-germany-find-grou... [4] - https://www.institutmontaigne.org/en/expressions/real-reasons-why-europe-concerned-us-inflation-reduction-act https://www.institutmontaigne.org/en/expressions/real-reason... [5] - https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3316875/china-tells-eu-it-cannot-afford-russian-loss-ukraine-war-sources-say https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3316875/ch... [6] - https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-sets-2027-deadline-europe-led-nato-defense-officials-say-2025-12-05/ https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-sets-2...