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The issue is that its not clear what other markets SpaceX can grow into. The rocket market is small. The government market for sats and the commercial market fo

The issue is that its not clear what other markets SpaceX can grow into. The rocket market is small. The government market for sats and the commercial market for sats is bigger but SpaceX already domiantes that. Its not clear to me how much room there is for that kind of growth to continue. They are the overwhelmingly dominate space company, but how much actual revenue growth can you get from that. Telecommunications is already the largest part of the sector, and SpaceX already the overwhelmingly dominate player. At some point you need to break into something other then that to be able to continue to grow. Or maybe my assumption about that is wrong, and combined with Starship launch will be so cheap that it can compete against some broadand on the ground. But that seems speculative.

JumpCrisscross 11mo ago
> its not clear what other markets SpaceX can grow into. The rocket market is small Ten years ago, smart people said the launch market couldn't possibly grow beyond $3 to 5bn. There is a tonnne of induced demand when it comes to launch. In LEO alone we have telecommunications, sensing and defence applications, most of which don't do well when put on the same bird. Add to that potential power-transmission uses and a global race to the Moon and Mars and it seems even if Starship can be mass manufactured, production will be the limiter, not demand. > combined with Starship launch will be so cheap that it can compete against some broadand on the ground. But that seems speculative Doubtful for broadband. Probable for rural and maybe even suburban cellular.
- panick21_ 11mo ago
  Ten years ago i already knew that SpaceX was able to build spacecraft, see Dragon. And I already new telecommunications was a big field. That SpaceX would try to expand in sat manufacture was clear and their advantage obvious. Telecommunications is overwhelmingly the largest space sector, it was in the 90s and is today. Sensing has been around for 60+ years and has grown fast both military and civilian, Planet and co. But its small compared to Telecommunication. And in order to rival that you would need many, many more years of incredibly fast growth. As for defense application, the most absurd possible one would be Golden Dome. And granted that would be a big chucnk of money if SpaceX can get a huge piece. But I don't think Goldon Dome will happen anytime soon or will be quite a big difference. You are right that cellular will grow and that's a vector for continued growth of Starlink. So there is decently growth and a lot yet to do. SpaceX a growth company, but justifying 800b on that is a bit questionable. They would need to like 5x in revenue and continue to show massive growth. As for general 'induced demand', maybe, but we have already seen some of that, and there is growth, but nowhere near the amount of growth for SpaceX to go from 100s to 1000s of launches. Specially with Starship. There needs to be 3-5 other telecom sized sectors that are actually real. Defense MIGHT be 1. I just don't see it. Tourism, space mining and space manufacturing would need to happen big time. There is a lot of talk about 'data centers in space' but I think that is silly. Space solar is even worse.

JumpCrisscross 11mo ago

> its not clear what other markets SpaceX can grow into. The rocket market is small Ten years ago, smart people said the launch market couldn't possibly grow beyond $3 to 5bn. There is a tonnne of induced demand when it comes to launch. In LEO alone we have telecommunications, sensing and defence applications, most of which don't do well when put on the same bird. Add to that potential power-transmission uses and a global race to the Moon and Mars and it seems even if Starship can be mass manufactured, production will be the limiter, not demand. > combined with Starship launch will be so cheap that it can compete against some broadand on the ground. But that seems speculative Doubtful for broadband. Probable for rural and maybe even suburban cellular.

panick21_ 11mo ago
Ten years ago i already knew that SpaceX was able to build spacecraft, see Dragon. And I already new telecommunications was a big field. That SpaceX would try to expand in sat manufacture was clear and their advantage obvious. Telecommunications is overwhelmingly the largest space sector, it was in the 90s and is today. Sensing has been around for 60+ years and has grown fast both military and civilian, Planet and co. But its small compared to Telecommunication. And in order to rival that you would need many, many more years of incredibly fast growth. As for defense application, the most absurd possible one would be Golden Dome. And granted that would be a big chucnk of money if SpaceX can get a huge piece. But I don't think Goldon Dome will happen anytime soon or will be quite a big difference. You are right that cellular will grow and that's a vector for continued growth of Starlink. So there is decently growth and a lot yet to do. SpaceX a growth company, but justifying 800b on that is a bit questionable. They would need to like 5x in revenue and continue to show massive growth. As for general 'induced demand', maybe, but we have already seen some of that, and there is growth, but nowhere near the amount of growth for SpaceX to go from 100s to 1000s of launches. Specially with Starship. There needs to be 3-5 other telecom sized sectors that are actually real. Defense MIGHT be 1. I just don't see it. Tourism, space mining and space manufacturing would need to happen big time. There is a lot of talk about 'data centers in space' but I think that is silly. Space solar is even worse.