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I think we would agree on a lot of things over a beer or beverage of your choice. I also think that we as a (globalised?) culture have decided that money trump

I think we would agree on a lot of things over a beer or beverage of your choice. I also think that we as a (globalised?) culture have decided that money trumps everything. But I don’t think that it’s the “fault” of single sociopaths or big companies; it’s some inherent flaw in human intelligence - we’re just not equipped to make smart long-term decisions or deal with a vast alien intelligence such as “the market”. Scrooges tale just resonates strongly - why else would it be still so popular that basically everyone know it - we just aren’t able to stop this machine and it will grind on until our species is wiped from the planet. Not that it matters too much for you and me - but a thousand years more of this? I can’t imagine what that would look like. Edit: you ever read “The Jungle” by Upton Sinclair? I don’t think being greedy above all morals is a new thing, it’s always been there. We just “scaled up”

somenameforme 11mo ago
The thing is, the shift happened relatively recently. This [1] is an extremely interesting little report from UCLA where they poll the incoming class on a wide array of things. And there have been some massive shifts as recently as the 60s. In 1967 86% of student felt it was "essential" or "very important" to develop a meaningful philosophy of life, while only 42% felt the same of "being very well of financially." By 2015 those values had essentially flipped, with only 47% viewing a life philosophy as very important, and 82% viewing being financially well off as very important. It's rather unfortunate it only began in 1967, because I think we would see an even more extreme flip if we were able to just go back a decade or two more. So we went from a society where the most important value for people was developing a life philosophy to one where the most important value is becoming wealthy. It's fairly easy to see how that leads directly to the situation we see now a days. In a society where wealth is seen as literally the most important aspect in life, what else can we expect other than endless greed? --- In the time of The Jungle, that book resulted in dramatic change that eventually led to the creation of the FDA. In modern times you have that same FDA approving everything from pink slime [2] to Alzheimer's drugs that they know don't work. [3] I think the fact that society has changed is an inescapable conclusion [1] - https://www.heri.ucla.edu/monographs/50YearTrendsMonograph2016.pdf https://www.heri.ucla.edu/monographs/50YearTrendsMonograph20... [2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_slime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_slime [3] - https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/19/health/alzheimers-drug-aduhelm-fda.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/19/health/alzheimers-drug-ad...

somenameforme 11mo ago

The thing is, the shift happened relatively recently. This [1] is an extremely interesting little report from UCLA where they poll the incoming class on a wide array of things. And there have been some massive shifts as recently as the 60s. In 1967 86% of student felt it was "essential" or "very important" to develop a meaningful philosophy of life, while only 42% felt the same of "being very well of financially." By 2015 those values had essentially flipped, with only 47% viewing a life philosophy as very important, and 82% viewing being financially well off as very important. It's rather unfortunate it only began in 1967, because I think we would see an even more extreme flip if we were able to just go back a decade or two more. So we went from a society where the most important value for people was developing a life philosophy to one where the most important value is becoming wealthy. It's fairly easy to see how that leads directly to the situation we see now a days. In a society where wealth is seen as literally the most important aspect in life, what else can we expect other than endless greed? --- In the time of The Jungle, that book resulted in dramatic change that eventually led to the creation of the FDA. In modern times you have that same FDA approving everything from pink slime [2] to Alzheimer's drugs that they know don't work. [3] I think the fact that society has changed is an inescapable conclusion [1] - https://www.heri.ucla.edu/monographs/50YearTrendsMonograph2016.pdf https://www.heri.ucla.edu/monographs/50YearTrendsMonograph20... [2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_slime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_slime [3] - https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/19/health/alzheimers-drug-aduhelm-fda.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/19/health/alzheimers-drug-ad...