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Valve is gonna save the day once again.

by alecsm 10mo ago

pjmlp 10mo ago
Running Windows stuff.....
- bigyabai 10mo ago
  I quite prefer that to the alternative of not running Windows stuff.
  - pjmlp 10mo ago
    Thing is, that strengths Windows market relevance, as IBM learnt with OS/2 and its Windows compatibility.
    - bigyabai 10mo ago
      Good. I love exploiting Windows' market relevance, it's rather fun and engaging.
      - pjmlp 10mo ago
        Until like IBM found out, devalues the underlying offer enough that it becomes irrelevant.
- alecsm 10mo ago
  I don't use Windows but I do run a lot of software made only for Windows. I don't see any problem with that.
  - pjmlp 10mo ago
    Until the fountain runs dry, because the kingdom lords diverted the river from Valve's well castle.
    - alecsm 10mo ago
      I'm sorry but that doesn't make any sense. Valve is pushing mostly open source to expand to other platforms which is a win win for everybody.
      - pjmlp 10mo ago
        That would be true if they were actually making devs embrace SteamOS.
        bigyabai 10mo ago
        They are. You're mad that Valve isn't militantly enforcing Linux-native games, which is nonsense. The OG Steam Machine did that and was DOA. Thousands of game studios are gone now, and supporting their software is important legacy work. You don't have to appreciate that, but I do. I do not give the faintest fuck about the opportunity cost you bemoan towards native UNIX games when I do this. That's your problem, not mine.
        pjmlp 10mo ago
        Yeah, and Windows running WSL 2 is the Year of Linux Desktop, it is your problem to accept it, not mine. If Proton is "Linux" games, so is running GNU/Linux under a VM a proper distro.
- 650REDHAIR 10mo ago
  Isn't Valve's new VR headset running ARM? I have faith!
  - pjmlp 10mo ago
    I have seen VR headsets trying to break any significant market share since 1994, they have never been anything other than a niche, with customers having too much money to throw around.
alimbada 10mo ago
I was about to comment to say that unless Valve is prepared to invest significant effort into an x86 -> ARM translation layer that's not going to happen but a quick search for "linux x86 to arm translation" led me to an XDA article[1] proving me wrong. The recently announced Steam Frame runs on ARM and can run x86 games directly using using something called FEX. Now we just need to be as good as (or better than) Apple's Rosetta. [1] https://www.xda-developers.com/arm-translation-layer-steam-frame-thoughts/ https://www.xda-developers.com/arm-translation-layer-steam-f...
- alecsm 10mo ago
  From yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46126446 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46126446
- LoganDark 10mo ago
  Apple Silicon actually has microarchitectural quirks implementing certain x86-isms in hardware for Rosetta 2 to use. I doubt any other ARM SoC would do such a thing, so I doubt third-party translation will ever get quite as efficient.

Valve is gonna save the day once again.

by alecsm 10mo ago

Valve is gonna save the day once again.

pjmlp 10mo ago

Running Windows stuff.....

bigyabai 10mo ago
I quite prefer that to the alternative of not running Windows stuff.
- pjmlp 10mo ago
  Thing is, that strengths Windows market relevance, as IBM learnt with OS/2 and its Windows compatibility.
  - bigyabai 10mo ago
    Good. I love exploiting Windows' market relevance, it's rather fun and engaging.
    - pjmlp 10mo ago
      Until like IBM found out, devalues the underlying offer enough that it becomes irrelevant.
alecsm 10mo ago
I don't use Windows but I do run a lot of software made only for Windows. I don't see any problem with that.
- pjmlp 10mo ago
  Until the fountain runs dry, because the kingdom lords diverted the river from Valve's well castle.
  - alecsm 10mo ago
    I'm sorry but that doesn't make any sense. Valve is pushing mostly open source to expand to other platforms which is a win win for everybody.
    - pjmlp 10mo ago
      That would be true if they were actually making devs embrace SteamOS.
      - bigyabai 10mo ago
        They are. You're mad that Valve isn't militantly enforcing Linux-native games, which is nonsense. The OG Steam Machine did that and was DOA. Thousands of game studios are gone now, and supporting their software is important legacy work. You don't have to appreciate that, but I do. I do not give the faintest fuck about the opportunity cost you bemoan towards native UNIX games when I do this. That's your problem, not mine.
        pjmlp 10mo ago
        Yeah, and Windows running WSL 2 is the Year of Linux Desktop, it is your problem to accept it, not mine. If Proton is "Linux" games, so is running GNU/Linux under a VM a proper distro.
650REDHAIR 10mo ago
Isn't Valve's new VR headset running ARM? I have faith!
- pjmlp 10mo ago
  I have seen VR headsets trying to break any significant market share since 1994, they have never been anything other than a niche, with customers having too much money to throw around.

alimbada 10mo ago

I was about to comment to say that unless Valve is prepared to invest significant effort into an x86 -> ARM translation layer that's not going to happen but a quick search for "linux x86 to arm translation" led me to an XDA article[1] proving me wrong. The recently announced Steam Frame runs on ARM and can run x86 games directly using using something called FEX. Now we just need to be as good as (or better than) Apple's Rosetta. [1] https://www.xda-developers.com/arm-translation-layer-steam-frame-thoughts/ https://www.xda-developers.com/arm-translation-layer-steam-f...

alecsm 10mo ago
From yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46126446 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46126446
LoganDark 10mo ago
Apple Silicon actually has microarchitectural quirks implementing certain x86-isms in hardware for Rosetta 2 to use. I doubt any other ARM SoC would do such a thing, so I doubt third-party translation will ever get quite as efficient.