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That is interesting. I wish someone made a keyboard that doesn’t suck, ideally split as well.

thebigspacefuck 10mo ago
https://blog.perprogramming.com/posts/framework-ortholinear-keyboard/ https://blog.perprogramming.com/posts/framework-ortholinear-...
- dontlaugh 10mo ago
  Yes, something like that. Ideally for a reasonably sized 13-14” laptop.
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- lawn 10mo ago
  Very cool! Although to be pedantic, that's not an "ortholinear" keyboard (as in a square grid) rather a keyboard with column stagger (which you should use). I wonder if you could make it for a FW13 too? I know QMK doesn't work for 13. Edit: I see now that it uses a separate microcontroller, so yes if you could make it fit then it should work.
  - evanjrowley 10mo ago
    It also bothers me that the meaning of "ortholinear" has been lost, but at least it's a sign that the hobby has grown to a certain point.
  - dontlaugh 10mo ago
    It should be possible to make a dumb version of such a keyboard wired the same as the stock one, just with the keys moved around. It would need some OS configuration to be truly useful, though.
einpoklum 10mo ago
Just made a top-level comment about the same thing. A big part of the core functionality of a laptop, as opposed to a PC, is is that of a typewriter: * Notes in class * Minutes in a meeting * Entries in a journal or travelogue * Writing the next great novel etc. Why have manufacturers simply taken that away from us, in favor of a terrible excuse with ridiculous tactile feedback?
- dontlaugh 10mo ago
  I actually like short travel very light linear switches, mechanical or not. I don’t like row stagger and non-split keyboards, for ergonomic reasons. That’s definitely a niche preference, but if anyone would cater to it you’d expect it to be Framework or similar.
  - einpoklum 10mo ago
    You're right that Framework is exactly where I would expect flexibility on this: I mean, just looking at their landing page - you see a laptop without the keyboard and ports. Framework offers 176 (!) kinds of "keyboards": https://frame.work/marketplace/keyboards https://frame.work/marketplace/keyboards but not one decent keyboard. Why? (Answer: it's basically just keyboard covers, and the many options are due to variations of colors and languages. But I would take a hot pink / toxic green keyboard with ancient tibetan labels if the keys were non-chicklet, with decent travel, sizes, and feedback. 7 rows if possible.)
    - fragmede 10mo ago
      Overhead of small volume manufacturing. If they make all those variations and intend to continue existing as a company that makes money selling things, it would have to be at a price where no one's going to buy one. But if I start an Etsy store selling one-offs at $399 each, people can grumble about my price, but it's not on Framework.
ratrocket 10mo ago
Similar to a sibling comment, and perhaps not really applicable (since this isn't a company making something people can buy...), but the MNT Reform is amenable to fitting a custom/ergonomic keyboard also (I hadn't seen the Framework in the sibling comment, it looks very cool!). I don't know how to link to it directly, but midway down this article there's a picture and some more links of an MNT Reform (apparently completely home-built) with a very cool, "thumb-centric", column staggered ergo keyboard: https://mntre.com/media/reform_md/2022-07-01-july-update.html https://mntre.com/media/reform_md/2022-07-01-july-update.htm... (search for "More great mods from the community..." heading if interested) I would very much like to have a keyboard like either of those on my laptop. The stares you'd get when in public!!
ncrmro 10mo ago
UHK ultimate hacker keyboard
- dontlaugh 10mo ago
  I already have a Corne and a Glove80. I'd like something built into a laptop as well.

https://blog.perprogramming.com/posts/framework-ortholinear-keyboard/ https://blog.perprogramming.com/posts/framework-ortholinear-...

dontlaugh 10mo ago
Yes, something like that. Ideally for a reasonably sized 13-14” laptop.
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lawn 10mo ago
Very cool! Although to be pedantic, that's not an "ortholinear" keyboard (as in a square grid) rather a keyboard with column stagger (which you should use). I wonder if you could make it for a FW13 too? I know QMK doesn't work for 13. Edit: I see now that it uses a separate microcontroller, so yes if you could make it fit then it should work.
- evanjrowley 10mo ago
  It also bothers me that the meaning of "ortholinear" has been lost, but at least it's a sign that the hobby has grown to a certain point.
- dontlaugh 10mo ago
  It should be possible to make a dumb version of such a keyboard wired the same as the stock one, just with the keys moved around. It would need some OS configuration to be truly useful, though.

einpoklum 10mo ago

Just made a top-level comment about the same thing. A big part of the core functionality of a laptop, as opposed to a PC, is is that of a typewriter: * Notes in class * Minutes in a meeting * Entries in a journal or travelogue * Writing the next great novel etc. Why have manufacturers simply taken that away from us, in favor of a terrible excuse with ridiculous tactile feedback?

dontlaugh 10mo ago
I actually like short travel very light linear switches, mechanical or not. I don’t like row stagger and non-split keyboards, for ergonomic reasons. That’s definitely a niche preference, but if anyone would cater to it you’d expect it to be Framework or similar.
- einpoklum 10mo ago
  You're right that Framework is exactly where I would expect flexibility on this: I mean, just looking at their landing page - you see a laptop without the keyboard and ports. Framework offers 176 (!) kinds of "keyboards": https://frame.work/marketplace/keyboards https://frame.work/marketplace/keyboards but not one decent keyboard. Why? (Answer: it's basically just keyboard covers, and the many options are due to variations of colors and languages. But I would take a hot pink / toxic green keyboard with ancient tibetan labels if the keys were non-chicklet, with decent travel, sizes, and feedback. 7 rows if possible.)
  - fragmede 10mo ago
    Overhead of small volume manufacturing. If they make all those variations and intend to continue existing as a company that makes money selling things, it would have to be at a price where no one's going to buy one. But if I start an Etsy store selling one-offs at $399 each, people can grumble about my price, but it's not on Framework.

ratrocket 10mo ago

Similar to a sibling comment, and perhaps not really applicable (since this isn't a company making something people can buy...), but the MNT Reform is amenable to fitting a custom/ergonomic keyboard also (I hadn't seen the Framework in the sibling comment, it looks very cool!). I don't know how to link to it directly, but midway down this article there's a picture and some more links of an MNT Reform (apparently completely home-built) with a very cool, "thumb-centric", column staggered ergo keyboard: https://mntre.com/media/reform_md/2022-07-01-july-update.html https://mntre.com/media/reform_md/2022-07-01-july-update.htm... (search for "More great mods from the community..." heading if interested) I would very much like to have a keyboard like either of those on my laptop. The stares you'd get when in public!!

ncrmro 10mo ago

UHK ultimate hacker keyboard

dontlaugh 10mo ago
I already have a Corne and a Glove80. I'd like something built into a laptop as well.