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They define unvaccinated as anyone in the study who didn't get their first dose by Nov 2021. That feels like a pretty tight window to me. I don't think they che

They define unvaccinated as anyone in the study who didn't get their first dose by Nov 2021. That feels like a pretty tight window to me. I don't think they checked to see if those "unvaccinated" people got vaccinated during the 4 year followup, especially given the mandates that forced people to get them.

ceejayoz 10mo ago
That's a year into its availability in France. Anyone who didn't have their first dose by then probably wasn't getting a dose. You can see that in this chart (click the 5Y range): https://ycharts.com/indicators/france_coronavirus_full_vaccination_rate https://ycharts.com/indicators/france_coronavirus_full_vacci... It's the full vaccination rate; as of Dec 1 2021 it was 69.89%. A month later (i.e. those Nov folks are getting their second dose) it's 74%; latest number on the chart is 78.44%.
- rob_c 10mo ago
  > That's a year into its availability in France. Anyone who didn't have their first dose by then probably wasn't getting a dose. You are aware of the "incentives" offered by the French govt? Such wonderful options as the ability to go the shops without being arrested that came with, "take the mandated medicine".
  - ceejayoz 10mo ago
    That's entirely irrelevant to "what date do we pick as the cutoff for this research?" From the chart, they picked a very reasonable spot to draw said line.
sixQuarks 10mo ago
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- anticorporate 10mo ago
  > I knew there would be BS like this in the study If you "know" that a study whose title you are predisposed to disagree with has "BS" in it, something tells me no amount of scientific evidence is going to persuade you.
  - sixQuarks 10mo ago
    Not at all, I want the study to be true.
triceratops 10mo ago
How would they calculate 4 year all-cause mortality on people who got vaccinated after Nov 2021? In case you haven't looked at a calendar recently, it's December 2025 now.
- HaZeust 10mo ago
  They excluded initial doses before May 2021, as well; in case you look at a calendar - that fits the criteria. Something doesn't square.
  - triceratops 10mo ago
    My memory is failing me right now. When did they start vaccinating en masse?
    - HaZeust 10mo ago
      I got it December 2020
      - triceratops 10mo ago
        Maybe you were a special group? I know some government workers who interacted with the public regularly got it early. Most people I know started getting it around March or April 2021.

ceejayoz 10mo ago

That's a year into its availability in France. Anyone who didn't have their first dose by then probably wasn't getting a dose. You can see that in this chart (click the 5Y range): https://ycharts.com/indicators/france_coronavirus_full_vaccination_rate https://ycharts.com/indicators/france_coronavirus_full_vacci... It's the full vaccination rate; as of Dec 1 2021 it was 69.89%. A month later (i.e. those Nov folks are getting their second dose) it's 74%; latest number on the chart is 78.44%.

rob_c 10mo ago
> That's a year into its availability in France. Anyone who didn't have their first dose by then probably wasn't getting a dose. You are aware of the "incentives" offered by the French govt? Such wonderful options as the ability to go the shops without being arrested that came with, "take the mandated medicine".
- ceejayoz 10mo ago
  That's entirely irrelevant to "what date do we pick as the cutoff for this research?" From the chart, they picked a very reasonable spot to draw said line.

sixQuarks 10mo ago

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anticorporate 10mo ago
> I knew there would be BS like this in the study If you "know" that a study whose title you are predisposed to disagree with has "BS" in it, something tells me no amount of scientific evidence is going to persuade you.
- sixQuarks 10mo ago
  Not at all, I want the study to be true.

triceratops 10mo ago

How would they calculate 4 year all-cause mortality on people who got vaccinated after Nov 2021? In case you haven't looked at a calendar recently, it's December 2025 now.

HaZeust 10mo ago
They excluded initial doses before May 2021, as well; in case you look at a calendar - that fits the criteria. Something doesn't square.
- triceratops 10mo ago
  My memory is failing me right now. When did they start vaccinating en masse?
  - HaZeust 10mo ago
    I got it December 2020
    - triceratops 10mo ago
      Maybe you were a special group? I know some government workers who interacted with the public regularly got it early. Most people I know started getting it around March or April 2021.