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Why not build the next cloudflare then, I'm sure it is appreciated by HN folks.

by bflesch 11mo ago

ai-christianson 11mo ago
Or maybe we just move away from cloudflare-like services altogether.
- smallerize 11mo ago
  And just live with high latency?
  - cess11 11mo ago
    Sure, why not?
  - bflesch 11mo ago
    What is "high latency" nowadays? If people wouldn't bundle 30mb into every html page it wouldn't be needed. Also cloudflare is needed due to DDOS and abuse from rogue actors, which are mostly located in specific areas. Residential IP ranges in democratic countries are not causing the issues.
    - ptidhomme 11mo ago
      Aren't botnet targeting cheap and unsecured consumer devices specifically in the residential IP ranges ?
      - bflesch 11mo ago
        Of course they are, but these botnets are actively combated by the ISPs. The main bad traffic that I receive comes from server IP ranges all over the world and several rogue countries who think it makes sense to wage hybrid war against us. But residential IP ranges are not the majority of bad traffic. I would even say that residential IP ranges are most of the paying customers for companies, and if you just block everything else you most likely wouldn't need to use cloudflare. Unfortunately firewall technology is not there yet. It's quite hard to block entire countries, even harder to block any non-residential ASN. And then you can still add some open source "i am human" captcha solution before you need to use cloudflare.
  - steve1977 11mo ago
    That stupid Cloudflare check page often adds latency in orders of magnitude compared to what a few thousand miles of cables would. Also most applications and websites are not that sensitive to latency anyway, at least when done properly.
  - jsheard 11mo ago
    The website you're using right now is hosted from a single location without any kind of CDN in front, so unless by coincidence you happen to live next door then you seem to be managing. CDNs do help, but just not bundling 40MB of Javascript or doing 50 roundtrips to load a page can go a long way.
    - stravant 11mo ago
      The website you're using right now is possibly the single least want of a CDN out of any of the sites I regularly visit. What other popular site has zero images or video to speak of?
- simultsop 11mo ago
  To mars data center right?
- bflesch 11mo ago
  Ideally, yes. Maybe someone can build a CDN on top of uncloud.
dontlaugh 11mo ago
With what capital exactly?

Why not build the next cloudflare then, I'm sure it is appreciated by HN folks.

by bflesch 11mo ago

Why not build the next cloudflare then, I'm sure it is appreciated by HN folks.

ai-christianson 11mo ago

Or maybe we just move away from cloudflare-like services altogether.

smallerize 11mo ago
And just live with high latency?
- cess11 11mo ago
  Sure, why not?
- bflesch 11mo ago
  What is "high latency" nowadays? If people wouldn't bundle 30mb into every html page it wouldn't be needed. Also cloudflare is needed due to DDOS and abuse from rogue actors, which are mostly located in specific areas. Residential IP ranges in democratic countries are not causing the issues.
  - ptidhomme 11mo ago
    Aren't botnet targeting cheap and unsecured consumer devices specifically in the residential IP ranges ?
    - bflesch 11mo ago
      Of course they are, but these botnets are actively combated by the ISPs. The main bad traffic that I receive comes from server IP ranges all over the world and several rogue countries who think it makes sense to wage hybrid war against us. But residential IP ranges are not the majority of bad traffic. I would even say that residential IP ranges are most of the paying customers for companies, and if you just block everything else you most likely wouldn't need to use cloudflare. Unfortunately firewall technology is not there yet. It's quite hard to block entire countries, even harder to block any non-residential ASN. And then you can still add some open source "i am human" captcha solution before you need to use cloudflare.
- steve1977 11mo ago
  That stupid Cloudflare check page often adds latency in orders of magnitude compared to what a few thousand miles of cables would. Also most applications and websites are not that sensitive to latency anyway, at least when done properly.
- jsheard 11mo ago
  The website you're using right now is hosted from a single location without any kind of CDN in front, so unless by coincidence you happen to live next door then you seem to be managing. CDNs do help, but just not bundling 40MB of Javascript or doing 50 roundtrips to load a page can go a long way.
  - stravant 11mo ago
    The website you're using right now is possibly the single least want of a CDN out of any of the sites I regularly visit. What other popular site has zero images or video to speak of?
simultsop 11mo ago
To mars data center right?
bflesch 11mo ago
Ideally, yes. Maybe someone can build a CDN on top of uncloud.

dontlaugh 11mo ago

With what capital exactly?