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You know what, maybe AI is taking all the goddamn jobs

immibis 10mo ago
They pretty much said this. All the big companies that had recent outages are companies that publicly embraced vibe coding.
- poszlem 10mo ago
  This ignores all the companies that publicly embraced vibe coding and did NOT have outages. Not a huge fan of vibe coding, but let's keep the populism to minimum here.
  - lxgr 10mo ago
    On top of that, humans are more than capable of causing high-impact outages as well. (It's easier with massive unforced centralization, of course.)
- jasonvorhe 10mo ago
  causality, causation, yadda yadda. They already explained that it was some react server component update. sure, could've also been done with some ai assist but we don't know. These companies also don't vibe code (which would involve just prompting without editing code yourself, at least that's the most common definition). I really hope news like these won't be followed by comments like these (not criticism of you personally) until the AI hype dies down a bit. It's getting really tiresome to always read the same oversimplified takes every time there's some outage involving centralized entities such as cloudflare instead of talking about the elephant in the room, which is their attempt of doing MITM on the majority of internet users.
- johncolanduoni 10mo ago
  All the big companies embraced vibe coding, so I’m not sure there was a natural experiment here.
- GaryBluto 10mo ago
  In the 80s, a "series" of fires broke out and destroyed many homes and businesses in England, all of which having a print of a painting known as 'The Crying Boy'. The painting has ever since been rumoured to be haunted. Obviously, 'The Crying Boy' was not the cause of the fires, it was just that most homes in the 80s England had that print, as it was a popular one, and people found a pattern where there wasn't one.
ivanbalepin 10mo ago
if this is referring to Cloudflare, they are not yet particularly known for any major non-sales layoffs, ai or not.
akKsbba 10mo ago
They’re a global company that offshores with location based pay and utilizes H1Bs. I think that’s the first thing to look at. You get what you pay for. Stop trying to devalue labor. Not much sympathy when you’re obviously cutting corners.
- _fizz_buzz_ 10mo ago
  Just because someone is on an H1B visa doesn't mean they know less. It's a bit rich to blame this on foreign workers even though nothing is known about who or what caused this outage.
  - renegade-otter 10mo ago
    The problem with H1B is that these people are effectively prisoners. The market is not so hot right now even for those who have leverage, but combine it with the visa system and you get this "gotta do the needful" attitude to please the bosses, rushing broken fixes to production.
    - gosub100 10mo ago
      I see this directly on my team. The h1bs get bullied by their boss (it's a split team, I work with him but don't report to him) and they don't say anything because he could effectively have them deported. At least 2 of them have kids here and perhaps the others do. So not only does it incentivize the bully to do it, but it traps them to just take it for their family. I openly talk shit back to him because he can't deport me.
  - greenchair 10mo ago
    Knowledge + tech skills are not the only factor that lead to subpar outcomes with these scenarios. In my experience the thing that causes the most problems with H1Bs is the weak English and related communication issues.
    - codingdave 10mo ago

They pretty much said this. All the big companies that had recent outages are companies that publicly embraced vibe coding.

poszlem 10mo ago
This ignores all the companies that publicly embraced vibe coding and did NOT have outages. Not a huge fan of vibe coding, but let's keep the populism to minimum here.
- lxgr 10mo ago
  On top of that, humans are more than capable of causing high-impact outages as well. (It's easier with massive unforced centralization, of course.)
jasonvorhe 10mo ago
causality, causation, yadda yadda. They already explained that it was some react server component update. sure, could've also been done with some ai assist but we don't know. These companies also don't vibe code (which would involve just prompting without editing code yourself, at least that's the most common definition). I really hope news like these won't be followed by comments like these (not criticism of you personally) until the AI hype dies down a bit. It's getting really tiresome to always read the same oversimplified takes every time there's some outage involving centralized entities such as cloudflare instead of talking about the elephant in the room, which is their attempt of doing MITM on the majority of internet users.
johncolanduoni 10mo ago
All the big companies embraced vibe coding, so I’m not sure there was a natural experiment here.
GaryBluto 10mo ago
In the 80s, a "series" of fires broke out and destroyed many homes and businesses in England, all of which having a print of a painting known as 'The Crying Boy'. The painting has ever since been rumoured to be haunted. Obviously, 'The Crying Boy' was not the cause of the fires, it was just that most homes in the 80s England had that print, as it was a popular one, and people found a pattern where there wasn't one.

ivanbalepin 10mo ago

if this is referring to Cloudflare, they are not yet particularly known for any major non-sales layoffs, ai or not.

akKsbba 10mo ago

They’re a global company that offshores with location based pay and utilizes H1Bs. I think that’s the first thing to look at. You get what you pay for. Stop trying to devalue labor. Not much sympathy when you’re obviously cutting corners.

_fizz_buzz_ 10mo ago
Just because someone is on an H1B visa doesn't mean they know less. It's a bit rich to blame this on foreign workers even though nothing is known about who or what caused this outage.
- renegade-otter 10mo ago
  The problem with H1B is that these people are effectively prisoners. The market is not so hot right now even for those who have leverage, but combine it with the visa system and you get this "gotta do the needful" attitude to please the bosses, rushing broken fixes to production.
  - gosub100 10mo ago
    I see this directly on my team. The h1bs get bullied by their boss (it's a split team, I work with him but don't report to him) and they don't say anything because he could effectively have them deported. At least 2 of them have kids here and perhaps the others do. So not only does it incentivize the bully to do it, but it traps them to just take it for their family. I openly talk shit back to him because he can't deport me.
- greenchair 10mo ago
  Knowledge + tech skills are not the only factor that lead to subpar outcomes with these scenarios. In my experience the thing that causes the most problems with H1Bs is the weak English and related communication issues.
  - codingdave 10mo ago