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Mildly amusing if true, but I can't help but notice that some things the article mentions, like "fact-checking", are never in fact a direct quote from the suppo

by chmod775 10mo ago

Mildly amusing if true, but I can't help but notice that some things the article mentions, like "fact-checking", are never in fact a direct quote from the supposed memo. Is it so hard to reproduce the entire damn thing so readers can form their own opinion of what it says? How are we supposed to fact-check this!

zombot 10mo ago
Forming your own opinion is so last-year. Now we have social media and AI to automate this.
- krapp 10mo ago
  @grok is this true?
  - stogot 10mo ago
    I keep seeing this post on HN. Does this trigger some grok workflow only for the user or is it a joke?
    - krapp 10mo ago
      It's a joke. @ doesn't do anything on HN.
    - machomaster 10mo ago
      It works on Twitter, but not here on HN. It's a joke akin to commenting "Press X to doubt".
- StefanBatory 10mo ago
  I can form my own opinion on things I know about. If I don't, then it's natural that I will defer to those who I believe know better. Learning without thinking is useless but thinking without learning is dangerous.
refurb 10mo ago
I for one trust that the mass media would never lie to me or twist the facts to support a specific narrative!
johnbellone 10mo ago
> How are we supposed to fact-check this! You aren’t.
- mikkupikku 10mo ago
  Yes, I've been told that "doing my own research" is bad and I should just listen to the experts.
  - machomaster 10mo ago
    The chose you are given is to either not listen to anybody and stay uninformed or listen to "experts" and become mis/disinformed. It's incredible that in some cases people who know nothing about the topic have way less (in percentage) stupid and incorrect facts than people who try to actively educate themselves through "experts".
    - muwtyhg 10mo ago
      There are other options besides those. You have two pieces of information: If you trust experts or "do your own research" and if you are correct or not. This leads to four choices: - You trust experts, and the experts are right -> You are right - You trust experts, and the experts are wrong -> You are wrong - You do your own research and are right -> You are right - You do your own research and you are wrong -> You are wrong Now, if I had to guess, the people who are more knowledgeable on a subject would likely have a better idea on the truthiness of a statement regarding that subject. Your argument appears to be the opposite. > It's incredible that in some cases people who know nothing about the topic have way less (in percentage) stupid and incorrect facts than people who try to actively educate themselves through "experts". I assume this is just an anecdote but could you extrapolate on this point a bit?Is there a study you could show me where they tested "do your own research" people's knowledge vs domain experts? What topics do you think have the highest chance of the "experts" being stupid and incorrect?
      - machomaster 10mo ago

zombot 10mo ago

Forming your own opinion is so last-year. Now we have social media and AI to automate this.

krapp 10mo ago
@grok is this true?
- stogot 10mo ago
  I keep seeing this post on HN. Does this trigger some grok workflow only for the user or is it a joke?
  - krapp 10mo ago
    It's a joke. @ doesn't do anything on HN.
  - machomaster 10mo ago
    It works on Twitter, but not here on HN. It's a joke akin to commenting "Press X to doubt".
StefanBatory 10mo ago
I can form my own opinion on things I know about. If I don't, then it's natural that I will defer to those who I believe know better. Learning without thinking is useless but thinking without learning is dangerous.

refurb 10mo ago

I for one trust that the mass media would never lie to me or twist the facts to support a specific narrative!

johnbellone 10mo ago

> How are we supposed to fact-check this! You aren’t.

mikkupikku 10mo ago
Yes, I've been told that "doing my own research" is bad and I should just listen to the experts.
- machomaster 10mo ago
  The chose you are given is to either not listen to anybody and stay uninformed or listen to "experts" and become mis/disinformed. It's incredible that in some cases people who know nothing about the topic have way less (in percentage) stupid and incorrect facts than people who try to actively educate themselves through "experts".
  - muwtyhg 10mo ago
    There are other options besides those. You have two pieces of information: If you trust experts or "do your own research" and if you are correct or not. This leads to four choices: - You trust experts, and the experts are right -> You are right - You trust experts, and the experts are wrong -> You are wrong - You do your own research and are right -> You are right - You do your own research and you are wrong -> You are wrong Now, if I had to guess, the people who are more knowledgeable on a subject would likely have a better idea on the truthiness of a statement regarding that subject. Your argument appears to be the opposite. > It's incredible that in some cases people who know nothing about the topic have way less (in percentage) stupid and incorrect facts than people who try to actively educate themselves through "experts". I assume this is just an anecdote but could you extrapolate on this point a bit?Is there a study you could show me where they tested "do your own research" people's knowledge vs domain experts? What topics do you think have the highest chance of the "experts" being stupid and incorrect?
    - machomaster 10mo ago