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I like to see stats like that, but I find it very concerning that OpenRouter don't mind inspecting its user/customer data without shame. Even if you pretend th

by greatgib 11mo ago

I like to see stats like that, but I find it very concerning that OpenRouter don't mind inspecting its user/customer data without shame. Even if you pretend that the classifier respect anonymity, if I pay for the inference, I would expect that it would be a closed tube with my privacy respected. If at least it was for "safety" checks, I don't like that but I would almost understand, now it is for them to have "marketing data". Imagine, and regarding the state of the world it might come soon, that you have whatsapp or telegram that inspect all the messages that you send to give reports like: - 20% of our users speak about their health issues - 30% of messages are about annoying coworkers - 15% are messages comparing dick sizes

stingraycharles 11mo ago
They explicitly give you a discount if you opt in to allowing your data to be used for (anonymized) analytics. That’s pretty fair imho.
- echelon 11mo ago
  Cynical take: they could look at everyone and give a discount for optics. I'd feel a lot better if "OpenRouter" were open source.
  - scirob 11mo ago
    litellm is basically open source version https://www.litellm.ai https://www.litellm.ai although the openrouter being a hosted service is kinda the point. Unless the whole industry decides to this over e2ee you cant get any guarantees about an intermediary aggregator
  - stingraycharles 11mo ago
    Nobody is forcing you to use it. It’s a service for convenience: you just pay one provider instead of having to create a bazillion accounts. If you don’t like any middle men, just go to one of the providers directly.
heliumtera 11mo ago
>I would expect that it would be a closed tube with my privacy respected Lol hahaha
- otabdeveloper4 11mo ago
  Yeah, welcome to "AI".
- mosselman 11mo ago
  Comments such as these are what allows developers to justify ignoring our privacy. "Everyone knows in {{BUSINESS_TYPE}} there is no real privacy". Be it fintech, AI or social media. You give them a free pass with being flippant about companies respecting privacy. Being flippant about anyone being careless about our privacy is doing us as a society and injustice. We should demand privacy, not laugh at the notion of privacy.
  - homakov 11mo ago
    The parent comment is exaclty right. "LOL" is best possible response. >We should demand privacy, not laugh at the notion of privacy. Recently got m3 ultra 512gb studio. LM Studio runs frontier models routinely. Going local is the ONLY way. That's all you can do. "Demanding privacy" is security theater. Act accordingly.
est 11mo ago
> inspecting its user/customer data without shame Even better: they send all the data to GoogleTagClassifier, which means now Google had a copy of the sample as well
homakov 11mo ago
> Imagine why imagine? The world already functions exactly like that. Talk on Tg like every chat is summarized every 24hrs and monthly (with cheap LLM and then with strong ones if signals found), and it reports to all kinds of interested intel agencies. Same for openrouter. everything that leaves your device plaintext = public. Period. No hopes.
veunes 11mo ago
This is the inevitable evil of the man in the middle. OpenRouter by definition decrypts your traffic to route it to the provider (OpenAI, Anthropic). Technically, they can read everything The problem is that for the Enterprise segment, this is a showstopper. No bank or hospital will route data through an aggregator that openly states it classifies prompts via Google API (even sampled ones). This confirms that OpenRouter remains a tool for indie hackers and researchers, not for serious B2B
xanderatallah 11mo ago
Alex here from OpenRouter. We take privacy really seriously and how we do manage prompts and completions is described in our terms of service: https://openrouter.ai/terms https://openrouter.ai/terms. We don’t retain any customer prompts or completions by default. As others here mentioned, you can opt-in for a 1% discount. Prompt classification is performed using a zero-data-retention and zero-training service, just like our own.

stingraycharles 11mo ago

They explicitly give you a discount if you opt in to allowing your data to be used for (anonymized) analytics. That’s pretty fair imho.

echelon 11mo ago
Cynical take: they could look at everyone and give a discount for optics. I'd feel a lot better if "OpenRouter" were open source.
- scirob 11mo ago
  litellm is basically open source version https://www.litellm.ai https://www.litellm.ai although the openrouter being a hosted service is kinda the point. Unless the whole industry decides to this over e2ee you cant get any guarantees about an intermediary aggregator
- stingraycharles 11mo ago
  Nobody is forcing you to use it. It’s a service for convenience: you just pay one provider instead of having to create a bazillion accounts. If you don’t like any middle men, just go to one of the providers directly.

heliumtera 11mo ago

>I would expect that it would be a closed tube with my privacy respected Lol hahaha

otabdeveloper4 11mo ago
Yeah, welcome to "AI".
mosselman 11mo ago
Comments such as these are what allows developers to justify ignoring our privacy. "Everyone knows in {{BUSINESS_TYPE}} there is no real privacy". Be it fintech, AI or social media. You give them a free pass with being flippant about companies respecting privacy. Being flippant about anyone being careless about our privacy is doing us as a society and injustice. We should demand privacy, not laugh at the notion of privacy.
- homakov 11mo ago
  The parent comment is exaclty right. "LOL" is best possible response. >We should demand privacy, not laugh at the notion of privacy. Recently got m3 ultra 512gb studio. LM Studio runs frontier models routinely. Going local is the ONLY way. That's all you can do. "Demanding privacy" is security theater. Act accordingly.

est 11mo ago

> inspecting its user/customer data without shame Even better: they send all the data to GoogleTagClassifier, which means now Google had a copy of the sample as well

homakov 11mo ago

> Imagine why imagine? The world already functions exactly like that. Talk on Tg like every chat is summarized every 24hrs and monthly (with cheap LLM and then with strong ones if signals found), and it reports to all kinds of interested intel agencies. Same for openrouter. everything that leaves your device plaintext = public. Period. No hopes.

veunes 11mo ago

This is the inevitable evil of the man in the middle. OpenRouter by definition decrypts your traffic to route it to the provider (OpenAI, Anthropic). Technically, they can read everything The problem is that for the Enterprise segment, this is a showstopper. No bank or hospital will route data through an aggregator that openly states it classifies prompts via Google API (even sampled ones). This confirms that OpenRouter remains a tool for indie hackers and researchers, not for serious B2B

xanderatallah 11mo ago

Alex here from OpenRouter. We take privacy really seriously and how we do manage prompts and completions is described in our terms of service: https://openrouter.ai/terms https://openrouter.ai/terms. We don’t retain any customer prompts or completions by default. As others here mentioned, you can opt-in for a 1% discount. Prompt classification is performed using a zero-data-retention and zero-training service, just like our own.