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Have you tried Adderall? It gives extreme competitive edge. Just to get legal and easy access to performance-enhancing drugs in elite educational (aka competiti

by vl 10mo ago

Have you tried Adderall? It gives extreme competitive edge. Just to get legal and easy access to performance-enhancing drugs in elite educational (aka competitive) setting it makes sense to get "disability". And given how loosely these conditions are defined, it's not even cheating in the true sense of the word.

antupis 10mo ago
If you have ADHD, for neurotypical people it might feel that you are performing better but results will not improve https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/smart-drugs-can-decrease-productivity-in-people-who-dont-have-adhd-study-finds https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/smart-drugs-can-decrease...
- phainopepla2 10mo ago
  It's a small study and the "knapsack task" probably does not generalize to writing a paper or coding or something. Far from dispositive.
- greygoo222 10mo ago
  Utter bullshit engineered to convince students not to do drugs. Adderall doesn't make you magically better at solving the knapsack problem, it's not NZT-48 from Limitless. That's not why anyone takes it.
  - astrange 10mo ago
    > it's not NZT-48 from Limitless Yeah, that's modafinil. (Or for social situations, bromantane.)
barchar 10mo ago
They really don't, and if they did then would it be so bad if people who didn't "need" them took them? Obviously if there's safety issues but for stimulants unsafe doses will 100% always decrease performance, because they'll affect sleep.
Aurornis 10mo ago
> Have you tried Adderall? It gives extreme competitive edge. Before readers rush out to acquire Adderall, note that "trying" it does not give an accurate picture of what it's like to take it long-term. It has a high discontinuation rate because people read comments like this online or borrow a dose from their friend and think they're going to be running around like Bradley Cooper in Limitless for the rest of their career. A new patient who tries Adderall will feel a sense of euphoria, energy, and motivation that is temporary. This effect does not last. This is why the Reddit ADHD forums are full of people posting "I just took my first dose and I'm so happy I could cry" followed a few weeks later by "Why did my Adderall stop working?". The focus part is still mostly working, but no drug is going to make you feel happy, energized, and euphoric for very long. > Just to get legal and easy access to performance-enhancing drugs in elite educational (aka competitive) setting it makes sense to get "disability". You're confusing two different things. Registering with the school's disability office is orthogonal to getting a prescription for anything.
- HDThoreaun 10mo ago
  Abusing adderall can obviously go wrong, but if you do it right you take it once every month or so and have minimal long term effects. Stanford students arent using it for the euphoria, theyre using it so they can study all night without getting distracted. Its also not a miracle drug, you have to be in the right mindset for it to work and a lot of the people who use it dont understand that.
- vl 10mo ago
  Everything can be abused or used incorrectly. If you drink too much water you remove salts from your body and get sick. With Adderall (or Vyvanse) good protocol is to get small dose, like 5-10mg early morning once every one or two weeks. Then you’ll get boost when really needed and feel uplifting for few more days. Taking it every day is insane, ADHD or not.
  - isolli 10mo ago
    Is this the way it is usually prescribed, a small dose every few days?
skeeter2020 10mo ago
Steriods will give you a massive physical advantage too. If you're not doing something with a governing body and get them prescribed you're golden.
- Aurornis 10mo ago
  This is actually another growing problem: TRT clinics will prescribe testosterone to virtually anyone who requests it. Among new TRT patients, a large number of them didn't even have bloodwork drawn before receiving their first prescription. Many of the TRT clinics also hide the fact that going on TRT results in testicular atrophy and lifelong dependence. The forums and Reddits are full of people who decided that injecting testosterone every couple days for the rest of their life isn't all it's cracked up to be are realizing that it's not so simple for everyone to get off of it, even with all the HCG, SERMs, and PCT in the world.
  - vl 10mo ago
    TRT is one of those things which requires precise and active management. But it also increases quality of life and well-being so much for 45yo and beyond that it’s insane not to use it. (And same thing with HRT for women). Your choice is to die chronically ill, weak and depressed for decades, or feeling great and enjoying your later years.
  - CGMthrowaway 10mo ago
    >TRT clinics will prescribe testosterone to virtually anyone who requests it. Why is that a problem, exactly? Hiding side effects is a problem I can understand, but struggling to understand why someone shouldn't be able to get TRT freely.
- vl 10mo ago
  If you have enough your own testosterone then doing TRT is more harm than good. But once you get older and don’t anymore - TRT is golden.
  - stuffn 10mo ago
anon84873628 10mo ago
My third time sharing this link in this post because it's just so relevant. A Slate Star Codex classic: https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/12/28/adderall-risks-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/12/28/adderall-risks-much-mo...

by vl 10mo ago

antupis 10mo ago

If you have ADHD, for neurotypical people it might feel that you are performing better but results will not improve https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/smart-drugs-can-decrease-productivity-in-people-who-dont-have-adhd-study-finds https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/smart-drugs-can-decrease...

phainopepla2 10mo ago
It's a small study and the "knapsack task" probably does not generalize to writing a paper or coding or something. Far from dispositive.
greygoo222 10mo ago
Utter bullshit engineered to convince students not to do drugs. Adderall doesn't make you magically better at solving the knapsack problem, it's not NZT-48 from Limitless. That's not why anyone takes it.
- astrange 10mo ago
  > it's not NZT-48 from Limitless Yeah, that's modafinil. (Or for social situations, bromantane.)

barchar 10mo ago

They really don't, and if they did then would it be so bad if people who didn't "need" them took them? Obviously if there's safety issues but for stimulants unsafe doses will 100% always decrease performance, because they'll affect sleep.

Aurornis 10mo ago

> Have you tried Adderall? It gives extreme competitive edge. Before readers rush out to acquire Adderall, note that "trying" it does not give an accurate picture of what it's like to take it long-term. It has a high discontinuation rate because people read comments like this online or borrow a dose from their friend and think they're going to be running around like Bradley Cooper in Limitless for the rest of their career. A new patient who tries Adderall will feel a sense of euphoria, energy, and motivation that is temporary. This effect does not last. This is why the Reddit ADHD forums are full of people posting "I just took my first dose and I'm so happy I could cry" followed a few weeks later by "Why did my Adderall stop working?". The focus part is still mostly working, but no drug is going to make you feel happy, energized, and euphoric for very long. > Just to get legal and easy access to performance-enhancing drugs in elite educational (aka competitive) setting it makes sense to get "disability". You're confusing two different things. Registering with the school's disability office is orthogonal to getting a prescription for anything.

HDThoreaun 10mo ago
Abusing adderall can obviously go wrong, but if you do it right you take it once every month or so and have minimal long term effects. Stanford students arent using it for the euphoria, theyre using it so they can study all night without getting distracted. Its also not a miracle drug, you have to be in the right mindset for it to work and a lot of the people who use it dont understand that.
vl 10mo ago
Everything can be abused or used incorrectly. If you drink too much water you remove salts from your body and get sick. With Adderall (or Vyvanse) good protocol is to get small dose, like 5-10mg early morning once every one or two weeks. Then you’ll get boost when really needed and feel uplifting for few more days. Taking it every day is insane, ADHD or not.
- isolli 10mo ago
  Is this the way it is usually prescribed, a small dose every few days?

skeeter2020 10mo ago

Steriods will give you a massive physical advantage too. If you're not doing something with a governing body and get them prescribed you're golden.

Aurornis 10mo ago
This is actually another growing problem: TRT clinics will prescribe testosterone to virtually anyone who requests it. Among new TRT patients, a large number of them didn't even have bloodwork drawn before receiving their first prescription. Many of the TRT clinics also hide the fact that going on TRT results in testicular atrophy and lifelong dependence. The forums and Reddits are full of people who decided that injecting testosterone every couple days for the rest of their life isn't all it's cracked up to be are realizing that it's not so simple for everyone to get off of it, even with all the HCG, SERMs, and PCT in the world.
- vl 10mo ago
  TRT is one of those things which requires precise and active management. But it also increases quality of life and well-being so much for 45yo and beyond that it’s insane not to use it. (And same thing with HRT for women). Your choice is to die chronically ill, weak and depressed for decades, or feeling great and enjoying your later years.
- CGMthrowaway 10mo ago
  >TRT clinics will prescribe testosterone to virtually anyone who requests it. Why is that a problem, exactly? Hiding side effects is a problem I can understand, but struggling to understand why someone shouldn't be able to get TRT freely.
vl 10mo ago
If you have enough your own testosterone then doing TRT is more harm than good. But once you get older and don’t anymore - TRT is golden.
- stuffn 10mo ago

anon84873628 10mo ago

My third time sharing this link in this post because it's just so relevant. A Slate Star Codex classic: https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/12/28/adderall-risks-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/12/28/adderall-risks-much-mo...