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That's a series of engines, not a single model. The FIAT FIRE [1] series has been in production for 36 years from 1985 to 2021 and, maybe you wouldn't expect it
by pmontra 11mo ago
That's a series of engines, not a single model. The FIAT FIRE [1] series has been in production for 36 years from 1985 to 2021 and, maybe you wouldn't expect it from FIAT, those engines were reliable.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fully_Integrated_Robotised_Engine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fully_Integrated_Robotised_Eng...
- skywal_l 11mo agoI counter you with a Cleon engine[0] with 42 years. ;) But in the end an engine can be reliable but still be an environmental liability. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Cl%C3%A9on-Fonte_engine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Cl%C3%A9on-Fonte_engin...
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- Grosvenor 11mo agoI’ll counter with the jaguar xk engine in production for 43 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_XK_engine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_XK_engine I assume the American s will be by with a pushrod v8 soon.
- whaleofatw2022 11mo agoActually I'll give a V6 instead: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick_V6_engine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick_V6_engine 1961-2008.
- qingcharles 11mo agoI had a lot of Minis, so I'll counter with the BMC A-Series: 1951-2000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMC_A-series_engine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMC_A-series_engine
- amypetrik8 11mo agoi counter you all with the 70 year legend https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_air-cooled_engine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_air-cooled_engine
- qingcharles 11mo agoYou win :) That was actually my first engine... would have thought I'd have remembered the Beetle engine.
- GuB-42 11mo agoI had the first Twingo model with that engine. Sure, reliability was exceptional, and it also felt nice to drive for a low power engine (55 HP). What wasn't exceptional however was fuel economy, which significantly increased the total cost of ownership of a car like the Twingo. I think the car made it to almost 300000 km with the engine showing barely any sign of wear. Some parts broke down, and there was still regular maintenance, which, combined with poor fuel economy and state subsidies made it not economically viable to keep the car even though it still ran. The newer model we bought later didn't last as long, the engine was good but not as robust, but it was still worth changing because of fuel economy alone. At no point we considered environmental factors, only cost, but they are tied, since better fuel economy means both lower costs and lower emissions. So in the end, you we a engine that was reliable for sure but didn't meet modern standards in terms of running costs, emissions and performance. When the Twingo came out, the use of the Cléon-Fonte engine was generally considered a serious downside, and it was changed to the more modern and appropriate "Energy" engine shortly after.
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- monegator 11mo agoCame here just to rant about the FIRE and the Firefly. The Multijet was also extremely reliable. Instead, they were tossed aside to promote whatever garbage came out of citroen design centers, i guess to achieve the destruction of stellantis. (except in south america, they still get to use the Firefly)
- zubiaur 11mo agoFor a short while we had them in the US, on the Dodge darts and some other Fiat applications. 1.4 + multiair + sometimes turbo. Great little engine that powered my first car, a 2005 Fiat Uno, made for the Argentinean market in Brazil: 1.4 (1.345L), 8v of reliability.
- TheCondor 11mo agoThe Jag XK platform had 45+ year run. I'd bet that as long as the 911 is made, it'll have an inline 6 and to someone's thinking it will be the same platform as the air-cooled version from 1964. Engine architectures tend to last unless they are bad. They can do a lot on one also, the Toyota GR platform started out as a fairly vanilla V-6 but it has variations with GDI and variations with turbochargers and has been used a lot of different vehicles. A lot of different variations with different levels of compressions and such. It's basically the block and cylinders configuration. I'll shout out the K-series though, it's a shockingly good platform. Lots of little details have been thought through, it's relatively simple, inexpensive and reliable and maybe one of the easiest engines to work on. If you were new to cars and wanted to start wrenching, the K-series is a pretty good place to start. It can take boost and make power and has lots of aftermarket support. I know civics aren't everyones cup of tea and it's not a big V-8, but I've yet to meet an engineer that isn't at least slightly impressed by the k-series.
- EugenioPerea 11mo agoThe 911 is a flat-six, but I agree with your point wholeheartedly.
- Aloha 11mo agoIndeed, long lived engines are not unusual Chrysler LA - 1964-2003 Ford Windsor 1961-2000 Ford Inline 6 1960-2016 Modular V8 1990-2014
- RickJWagner 11mo agoI’d consider it very bad marketing for Fiat to use the brand ‘FIRE’ for their engine. :)
- UncleEntity 11mo agoIn the couple years I've owned my (now) 10 year old wee-Fiat I think I've opened the hood once, when I first bought it, just to confirm the engine was actually there. Other than that, what engine? Probably should pop it open (heh, Fiat Pop, no pun intended) to fix the headlight which has been out for about a year but it was a lot easier to get a (free) veteran's plate than poke around in there and you pretty much have to commit vehicular homicide in front of a cop to get pulled over with a veteran's plates so... I mean, it came with an extra headlight for a reason. But, yeah, tiny little engine for a tiny little car which does it's job without issue, what's not to love?
- whaleofatw2022 11mo agoMeh, GM 3800 had a good 40+ years of production (although some of those years were 3rd party,) I'd take one of those over a FIRE.
- rasz 11mo agoFiat FIRE engines are reliable workhorses, but they arent cool nor overbuild like K series. You can tune NA K20 to over 250 whp, or 400 whp turbo with _stock_ bottom end. Same reason 2JZ are legendary with stock bottom end good for at least 600 whp.
- exidy 11mo agoFord Kent engine[0] was first produced in 1959 and is still being produced and used in motorsport, so technically it qualifies for a pension now. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Kent_engine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Kent_engine