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This is so vague and conspiratorial, I'm not sure how it's the top comment. How does this exactly work? Give a concrete example. Show the steps. How is Palantir

This is so vague and conspiratorial, I'm not sure how it's the top comment. How does this exactly work? Give a concrete example. Show the steps. How is Palantir going to make me, someone who does not use its products, a "slave of the state?" How is AI going to intimidate me, someone who does not use AI? Connect the dots rather than making very broad and vague pronouncements.

ceejayoz 11mo ago
> How is Palantir going to make me, someone who does not use its products, a "slave of the state?" This is like asking how Lockheed-Martin can possibly kill an Afghan tribesman, who isn't a customer of theirs. Palantir's customer is the state. They use the product on you. The East German Stasi would've drooled enough to drown in over the data access we have today.
- ryandrake 11mo ago
  OK, so map it out. How do we go from "Palantir has some data" to "I'm a slave of the state?" Could someone draw the lines? I'm not a fan of this administration either, but come on--let's not lower ourselves to their reliance on shadowy conspiracy theories and mustache-twirling villains to explain the world.
  - ceejayoz 11mo ago
    "How does providing a surveillance tool to a nation state enable repression?" seems like a question with a fairly clear answer, historically. The Stasi didn't employ hundreds of thousands of informants as a charitable UBI program.
    - ryandrake 11mo ago
      I'm not asking about how the Stasi did it in Germany, I'm asking how Palantir, a private company, is going to turn me into a "slave of the state" in the USA. If it's so obvious, then it should take a very short time to outline the concrete, detailed steps (that are relevant to the USA in 2025) down the path, and how one will inevitably lead to the other.
      - ceejayoz 11mo ago
        > I'm asking how Palantir, a private company, is going to turn me into a "slave of the state" in the USA. This question has already been answered for you. The government uses Palantir to perform the state's surveillance. (And in a way that does an end-run around the Fourth Amendment; https://yalelawandpolicy.org/end-running-warrants-purchasing-data-under-fourth-amendment-and-state-action-problem https://yalelawandpolicy.org/end-running-warrants-purchasing....) As the Stasi used private citizens to do so. It's just an automated informant. And this is hardly theoretical. https://gizmodo.com/palantir-ceo-says-making-war-crimes-constitutional-would-be-good-for-business-2000695162 https://gizmodo.com/palantir-ceo-says-making-war-crimes-cons... > Palantir CEO and Trump ally Alex Karp is no stranger to controversial (troll-ish even) comments. His latest one just dropped: Karp believes that the U.S. boat strikes in the Caribbean (which many experts believe to be war crimes) are a moneymaking opportunity for his company. > In August, ICE announced that Palantir would build a $30 million surveillance platform called ImmigrationOS to aid the agency’s mass deportation efforts, around the same time that an Amnesty International report claimed that Palantir’s AI was being used by the Department of Homeland Security to target non-citizens that speak out in favor of Palestinian rights (Karp is also a staunch supporter of Israel and inked an ongoing strategic partnership with the IDF.)
        ryandrake 11mo ago
        Step 1, step 2, step 3, step 4? And a believable line drawn between those steps? Since nobody's actually replying with a concrete and believable list of steps from "Palantir has data" to "I am a slave of the state" I have to conclude that the steps don't exist, and that slavery is being used as a rhetorical device.
        ceejayoz 11mo ago
        Step 1: Palantir sells their data and analysis products to the government. Step 2: Government uses that data, and the fact that virtually everyone has at least one "something to hide", to go after people who don't support it. This doesn't really require a conspiracy theory board full of red string to figure out. And again, this isn't theoretical harm! > …an Amnesty International report claimed that Palantir’s AI was being used by the Department of Homeland Security to target non-citizens that speak out in favor of Palestinian rights…
  - jassyr 11mo ago
    You mentioned you're not a fan of this administration. That's -1 on your PalsOfState(tm) score. Your employer has been notified (they know where you work of course), and your spouse's employer too. Your child's application to Fancy University has been moved to the bottom of the pile, by the way the university recently settled a lawsuit brought by the governmentfor admitting too many "disruptors" with low PalsOfState scores. Palantir had provided a way for you to improve you score, click the Donateto47 button to improve your score. We hope you can attend the next political rally in your home town, their cameras will be there to make sure.

ceejayoz 11mo ago

> How is Palantir going to make me, someone who does not use its products, a "slave of the state?" This is like asking how Lockheed-Martin can possibly kill an Afghan tribesman, who isn't a customer of theirs. Palantir's customer is the state. They use the product on you. The East German Stasi would've drooled enough to drown in over the data access we have today.

ryandrake 11mo ago
OK, so map it out. How do we go from "Palantir has some data" to "I'm a slave of the state?" Could someone draw the lines? I'm not a fan of this administration either, but come on--let's not lower ourselves to their reliance on shadowy conspiracy theories and mustache-twirling villains to explain the world.
- ceejayoz 11mo ago
  "How does providing a surveillance tool to a nation state enable repression?" seems like a question with a fairly clear answer, historically. The Stasi didn't employ hundreds of thousands of informants as a charitable UBI program.
  - ryandrake 11mo ago
    I'm not asking about how the Stasi did it in Germany, I'm asking how Palantir, a private company, is going to turn me into a "slave of the state" in the USA. If it's so obvious, then it should take a very short time to outline the concrete, detailed steps (that are relevant to the USA in 2025) down the path, and how one will inevitably lead to the other.
    - ceejayoz 11mo ago
      > I'm asking how Palantir, a private company, is going to turn me into a "slave of the state" in the USA. This question has already been answered for you. The government uses Palantir to perform the state's surveillance. (And in a way that does an end-run around the Fourth Amendment; https://yalelawandpolicy.org/end-running-warrants-purchasing-data-under-fourth-amendment-and-state-action-problem https://yalelawandpolicy.org/end-running-warrants-purchasing....) As the Stasi used private citizens to do so. It's just an automated informant. And this is hardly theoretical. https://gizmodo.com/palantir-ceo-says-making-war-crimes-constitutional-would-be-good-for-business-2000695162 https://gizmodo.com/palantir-ceo-says-making-war-crimes-cons... > Palantir CEO and Trump ally Alex Karp is no stranger to controversial (troll-ish even) comments. His latest one just dropped: Karp believes that the U.S. boat strikes in the Caribbean (which many experts believe to be war crimes) are a moneymaking opportunity for his company. > In August, ICE announced that Palantir would build a $30 million surveillance platform called ImmigrationOS to aid the agency’s mass deportation efforts, around the same time that an Amnesty International report claimed that Palantir’s AI was being used by the Department of Homeland Security to target non-citizens that speak out in favor of Palestinian rights (Karp is also a staunch supporter of Israel and inked an ongoing strategic partnership with the IDF.)
      - ryandrake 11mo ago
        Step 1, step 2, step 3, step 4? And a believable line drawn between those steps? Since nobody's actually replying with a concrete and believable list of steps from "Palantir has data" to "I am a slave of the state" I have to conclude that the steps don't exist, and that slavery is being used as a rhetorical device.
        ceejayoz 11mo ago
        Step 1: Palantir sells their data and analysis products to the government. Step 2: Government uses that data, and the fact that virtually everyone has at least one "something to hide", to go after people who don't support it. This doesn't really require a conspiracy theory board full of red string to figure out. And again, this isn't theoretical harm! > …an Amnesty International report claimed that Palantir’s AI was being used by the Department of Homeland Security to target non-citizens that speak out in favor of Palestinian rights…
- jassyr 11mo ago
  You mentioned you're not a fan of this administration. That's -1 on your PalsOfState(tm) score. Your employer has been notified (they know where you work of course), and your spouse's employer too. Your child's application to Fancy University has been moved to the bottom of the pile, by the way the university recently settled a lawsuit brought by the governmentfor admitting too many "disruptors" with low PalsOfState scores. Palantir had provided a way for you to improve you score, click the Donateto47 button to improve your score. We hope you can attend the next political rally in your home town, their cameras will be there to make sure.