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And the sad part is we all know what the problem is, because its always the same problem (more or less) everywhere Put Designers and Thinkers on top ... not pr

by systems 14y ago

And the sad part is we all know what the problem is, because its always the same problem (more or less) everywhere Put Designers and Thinkers on top ... not project managers and follow uppers Those who get promoted and run large organization are almost always not the smart designer thinker type, but the project manager, follow upper with a good spirit and cute time management skills Apple also recently picked a project manager on top, lets see if i will be proven right AAPL close today at 666.8 (cute number) I think it will go back to 30 USD in half the time it took it to go up from there (AAPL was selling for 30 USD in 2004)

PommeDeTerre 14y ago
If you put only designers in charge of any kind of a project or organization, you just end up with a different kind of disaster. Look at GNOME 3, for instance. It was a design-led initiative. It failed to produce usable software, it failed to attract any new users, and it actually managed to drive away an absolutely huge number of existing GNOME users. As it stands, it is one of the worst OSS disasters we've seen yet. You need a balanced team. That's the only way to truly succeed.
- flatline3 14y ago
  Anecdotally, gnome 3 attracted me. I now run a Ubuntu system, but I haven't switched my main desktop to Ubuntu because Mac OS X is still better (for me).
- vlisivka 14y ago
  I like Gnome3. I will not return back to Gnome2 like interface. However, I use my own switch-or-exec system to switch between windows (or launch programs, when no windows are open) using keyboard shortcuts, e.g. Win+F for Firefox windows, Win+G for Gedit, Win+C for eClipse, and so on. PS. I working for HP as sub-contractor at outsource firm (in Ukraine). Their code makes me cry. It looks like they lacking proper software architects with good knowledge about obscure but very important topics like separation of concerns or complexity curve (information bang), etc.
ekianjo 14y ago
I do not understand why you assume that project managers are not thinkers and have no vision. Are you considering Project Managers are simply mindless robots following a tracking sheet? That's very different from the project managers I have been working with. And project managers are, by definition, NEVER at the top, since they are at the working level managing upcoming projects. The problem is rather the lack of performance metrics. In all the successful companies I have been in, there was a strong correlation between success and the ability to measure progress from month to month, from quarter to quarter and year to year. When such things are missing, then you are pretty much depending on the goodwill and expertise of all employees, and usually this fails sooner or later.
- systems 14y ago
  In someway I think we agree when you say "project managers, are, by definition, NEVER at the top" What I am saying is, that when they do reach the top, and in many many organization they do, they use the same skill set that helped them become very good project managers to lead an organization, and manage the future of its products And as you said, by definition this doesn't work What I am also saying, which is very sad, many organization structure their performance evaluation process around favoring Project Managers and eventually pushing them to the top

by systems 14y ago

PommeDeTerre 14y ago

If you put only designers in charge of any kind of a project or organization, you just end up with a different kind of disaster. Look at GNOME 3, for instance. It was a design-led initiative. It failed to produce usable software, it failed to attract any new users, and it actually managed to drive away an absolutely huge number of existing GNOME users. As it stands, it is one of the worst OSS disasters we've seen yet. You need a balanced team. That's the only way to truly succeed.

flatline3 14y ago
Anecdotally, gnome 3 attracted me. I now run a Ubuntu system, but I haven't switched my main desktop to Ubuntu because Mac OS X is still better (for me).
vlisivka 14y ago
I like Gnome3. I will not return back to Gnome2 like interface. However, I use my own switch-or-exec system to switch between windows (or launch programs, when no windows are open) using keyboard shortcuts, e.g. Win+F for Firefox windows, Win+G for Gedit, Win+C for eClipse, and so on. PS. I working for HP as sub-contractor at outsource firm (in Ukraine). Their code makes me cry. It looks like they lacking proper software architects with good knowledge about obscure but very important topics like separation of concerns or complexity curve (information bang), etc.

ekianjo 14y ago

I do not understand why you assume that project managers are not thinkers and have no vision. Are you considering Project Managers are simply mindless robots following a tracking sheet? That's very different from the project managers I have been working with. And project managers are, by definition, NEVER at the top, since they are at the working level managing upcoming projects. The problem is rather the lack of performance metrics. In all the successful companies I have been in, there was a strong correlation between success and the ability to measure progress from month to month, from quarter to quarter and year to year. When such things are missing, then you are pretty much depending on the goodwill and expertise of all employees, and usually this fails sooner or later.

systems 14y ago
In someway I think we agree when you say "project managers, are, by definition, NEVER at the top" What I am saying is, that when they do reach the top, and in many many organization they do, they use the same skill set that helped them become very good project managers to lead an organization, and manage the future of its products And as you said, by definition this doesn't work What I am also saying, which is very sad, many organization structure their performance evaluation process around favoring Project Managers and eventually pushing them to the top