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People hate feeling manipulated, but they love propaganda that feeds their prejudices. People voluntarily turn on Fox News - even in public spaces - and get mad

by pjc50 11mo ago

People hate feeling manipulated, but they love propaganda that feeds their prejudices. People voluntarily turn on Fox News - even in public spaces - and get mad if you turn it off. Sufficiently effective propaganda produces its own cults. People want a sense of purpose and belonging. Sometimes even at the expense of their own lives, or (more easily) someone else's lives.

FridayoLeary 11mo ago
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- ceejayoz 11mo ago
  > just smaller maybe This is like peak both-sidesism. You even openly describe the left’s equivalent of MAGA as “fringe”, FFS. One party’s former “fringe” is now in full control of it. And the country’s institutions.
  - FridayoLeary 11mo ago
    I was both siding in an effort to be as objective as possible. The truth is that i'm pretty dismayed at the current state of the Democrat party. Socialists like Mamdani and Sanders and the squad are way too powerful. People who are obsessed with tearing down cultural and social institutions and replacing them with performative identity politics and fabricated narratives are given platforms way bigger then they deserve. The worries of average Americans are dismissed. All those are issues that are tearing up the Democrat party from the inside. I can continue for hours but i don't want to start a flamewar of biblical proportions. So all i did was present the most balanced view i can muster and you still can't acknowledge that there might be truth in what i'm saying. The pendulum swings both ways. MSM has fallen victim to partisan politics. Something which Trump recognised and exploited back in 2015. Fox news is on the right, CNN, ABC et al is on the left.
    - ceejayoz 11mo ago
      If you think “Sanders and the Squad” are powerful you’ve been watching far too much Fox News. > People who are obsessed with tearing down cultural and social institutions and replacing them with performative identity politics and fabricated narratives are given platforms way bigger then they deserve. Like the Kennedy Center, USAID, and the Department of Education? The immigrants eating cats story? Cutting off all refugees except white South Africans? And your next line says this is the problem with Democrats?
    - hn_acc1 11mo ago
      CNN, ABC et al are on the left IN FOX NEWS WORLD only. Objectively, they're center-right, just like most of the democrat party.
- kelipso 11mo ago
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  - NoGravitas 11mo ago
    And, perhaps ironically, the actual (fringe) left never fell for Russiagate.
- pjc50 11mo ago
  People close to Trump went to jail for Russian collusion. Courts are not perfect but a significantly better route to truth than the media. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_charges_brought_in_the_Mueller_special_counsel_investigation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_charges_brought_in_th... There is this odd conspiracy to claim that Biden (81 at time of election) was too old and Trump (77) wasn't, when Trump has always been visibly less coherent than Biden. IMO both of them were clearly too old to be sensible candidates, regardless of other considerations. The UK counterpart is happening at the moment: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c891403eddet https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c891403eddet
  - FridayoLeary 11mo ago
    >There is this odd conspiracy to claim that Biden (81 at time of election) was too old and Trump (77) wasn't I try to base my opinions on facts as much as possible. Trump is old but he's clearly full of energy, like some old people can be. Biden sadly is not. Look at the videos, it's painful to see. In his defence he was probably much more active then most 80 year olds but in no way was he fit to lead a country. At least in the UK despite the recent lamentable state of our political system our politicians are relatively young. You won't see octogenarians like pelosi and Biden in charge.
    - jcranmer 11mo ago
      From the videos I've seen, Biden reminds me of my grandmother in her later years of life, while Trump reminds me of my other grandmother... the one with dementia. There's just too many videos where Trump doesn't seem to entirely realize where he is or what he is doing for me to be comfortable.
      - blitzar 11mo ago
        Happy thanksgiving this week
    - mx7zysuj4xew 11mo ago
      Hard disagree Biden was slow, made small gaffes, but overall his words and actions were careful and deliberate Aside from trump falling asleep during cabinet meetings on camera, having him freeze up during a medical emergency and his erratic social media posts at later hours of the day (sundowning behavior) Trump literally seems to be decomposing in front of our eyes, I've never felt more physically repulsed by an individual before Trumps behavior is utterly deranged. His lack of inhibition, decency and compassion is disturbing Had he been a non celebrity private citizen he'd most likely be declared mentally incompetent and placed under guardianship in a closed care facility.
- NoGravitas 11mo ago
  I would point out that what you call "left outlets" are at best center-left. The actual left doesn't believe in Russiagate (it was manufactured to ratfuck Bernie before being turned against Trump), and has zero love for Biden.
  - daveguy 11mo ago
    Given the amount of evidence that Russia and the Trump campaign were working together, it's devoid of reality to claim it's a hoax. I hadn't heard the Bernie angle, but it's not unreasonable to expect they were aiding Bernie. The difference being, I don't think Bernie's campaign was colluding with Russian agents, whereas the Trump campaign definitely was colluding. Seriously, who didn't hear about the massive amounts of evidence the Trump campaign was colluding other than magas drooling over fox and newsmax? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf
vintermann 11mo ago
To you too: are you talking about other people here, or do you concede the possibility that you're falling for similar things yourself?
- pjc50 11mo ago
  I'm certainly aware of the risk. Difficult balance of "being aware of things" versus the fallibility and taintedness of routes to actually hearing about things.

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FridayoLeary 11mo ago

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ceejayoz 11mo ago
> just smaller maybe This is like peak both-sidesism. You even openly describe the left’s equivalent of MAGA as “fringe”, FFS. One party’s former “fringe” is now in full control of it. And the country’s institutions.
- FridayoLeary 11mo ago
  I was both siding in an effort to be as objective as possible. The truth is that i'm pretty dismayed at the current state of the Democrat party. Socialists like Mamdani and Sanders and the squad are way too powerful. People who are obsessed with tearing down cultural and social institutions and replacing them with performative identity politics and fabricated narratives are given platforms way bigger then they deserve. The worries of average Americans are dismissed. All those are issues that are tearing up the Democrat party from the inside. I can continue for hours but i don't want to start a flamewar of biblical proportions. So all i did was present the most balanced view i can muster and you still can't acknowledge that there might be truth in what i'm saying. The pendulum swings both ways. MSM has fallen victim to partisan politics. Something which Trump recognised and exploited back in 2015. Fox news is on the right, CNN, ABC et al is on the left.
  - ceejayoz 11mo ago
    If you think “Sanders and the Squad” are powerful you’ve been watching far too much Fox News. > People who are obsessed with tearing down cultural and social institutions and replacing them with performative identity politics and fabricated narratives are given platforms way bigger then they deserve. Like the Kennedy Center, USAID, and the Department of Education? The immigrants eating cats story? Cutting off all refugees except white South Africans? And your next line says this is the problem with Democrats?
  - hn_acc1 11mo ago
    CNN, ABC et al are on the left IN FOX NEWS WORLD only. Objectively, they're center-right, just like most of the democrat party.
kelipso 11mo ago
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- NoGravitas 11mo ago
  And, perhaps ironically, the actual (fringe) left never fell for Russiagate.
pjc50 11mo ago
People close to Trump went to jail for Russian collusion. Courts are not perfect but a significantly better route to truth than the media. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_charges_brought_in_the_Mueller_special_counsel_investigation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_charges_brought_in_th... There is this odd conspiracy to claim that Biden (81 at time of election) was too old and Trump (77) wasn't, when Trump has always been visibly less coherent than Biden. IMO both of them were clearly too old to be sensible candidates, regardless of other considerations. The UK counterpart is happening at the moment: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c891403eddet https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c891403eddet
- FridayoLeary 11mo ago
  >There is this odd conspiracy to claim that Biden (81 at time of election) was too old and Trump (77) wasn't I try to base my opinions on facts as much as possible. Trump is old but he's clearly full of energy, like some old people can be. Biden sadly is not. Look at the videos, it's painful to see. In his defence he was probably much more active then most 80 year olds but in no way was he fit to lead a country. At least in the UK despite the recent lamentable state of our political system our politicians are relatively young. You won't see octogenarians like pelosi and Biden in charge.
  - jcranmer 11mo ago
    From the videos I've seen, Biden reminds me of my grandmother in her later years of life, while Trump reminds me of my other grandmother... the one with dementia. There's just too many videos where Trump doesn't seem to entirely realize where he is or what he is doing for me to be comfortable.
    - blitzar 11mo ago
      Happy thanksgiving this week
  - mx7zysuj4xew 11mo ago
    Hard disagree Biden was slow, made small gaffes, but overall his words and actions were careful and deliberate Aside from trump falling asleep during cabinet meetings on camera, having him freeze up during a medical emergency and his erratic social media posts at later hours of the day (sundowning behavior) Trump literally seems to be decomposing in front of our eyes, I've never felt more physically repulsed by an individual before Trumps behavior is utterly deranged. His lack of inhibition, decency and compassion is disturbing Had he been a non celebrity private citizen he'd most likely be declared mentally incompetent and placed under guardianship in a closed care facility.
NoGravitas 11mo ago
I would point out that what you call "left outlets" are at best center-left. The actual left doesn't believe in Russiagate (it was manufactured to ratfuck Bernie before being turned against Trump), and has zero love for Biden.
- daveguy 11mo ago
  Given the amount of evidence that Russia and the Trump campaign were working together, it's devoid of reality to claim it's a hoax. I hadn't heard the Bernie angle, but it's not unreasonable to expect they were aiding Bernie. The difference being, I don't think Bernie's campaign was colluding with Russian agents, whereas the Trump campaign definitely was colluding. Seriously, who didn't hear about the massive amounts of evidence the Trump campaign was colluding other than magas drooling over fox and newsmax? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

vintermann 11mo ago

To you too: are you talking about other people here, or do you concede the possibility that you're falling for similar things yourself?

pjc50 11mo ago
I'm certainly aware of the risk. Difficult balance of "being aware of things" versus the fallibility and taintedness of routes to actually hearing about things.