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The Zuck is sort of right though. There is no doubt that the iOS / Android FB app is pretty slow and buggy due to their dependence on HTML5. They've gotten gril

by vu0tran 14y ago

The Zuck is sort of right though. There is no doubt that the iOS / Android FB app is pretty slow and buggy due to their dependence on HTML5. They've gotten grilled by their users in the past -- although props to them for really improving it recently. I'm not saying that HTML5 is a bad technology or anything, it just isn't quite there yet. Good article nonetheless.

ananddass 14y ago
Agree that it isnt currently fluid enough from a UX standpoint. But precisely why all of us should get behind HTML5 and push it harder. That's why we decided to contribute our resources towards it and wanted to encourage the community to support HTML5 as well. The last thing we want happening is that folks stop developing for HTML5 since one of the big boys out there feels otherwise.
- camus 14y ago
  about HTML5 on mobile : + the problem is at the source. bad language and api design choices make HTML5 what it is now. You cant build great software with bad technologies. Is it here to stay ? yes , Is is over-rated? of course. You want a great UX? then go native. obj-c is not that hard, and java is easy to learn. why anybody would want to do some javascript instead is a mistery.
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MatthewPhillips 14y ago
There is virtually no browser competition on mobile. On the desktop browser vendors directly compete which led to the innovation we saw the last few years. But on mobile the browser is a feature of the OS, reducing its importance. So we have stagnation. Releasing one browser update per year is seen as acceptable.
- graue 14y ago
  Good point. Fortunately Firefox on Android is now competitive with Chrome, so we will hopefully see this start to change (though the rendering engine monopolies on iOS/WinPhone aren't helping).
- recursive 14y ago
  I have four different browsers on my phone. What would constitute competition?
  - MatthewPhillips 14y ago
    Market share
bialecki 14y ago
What about the LinkedIn app? Don't they use a lot of HTML(5) in their app? Facebook just happens to be a big company that said HTML5 didn't work for them. For all we know they designed it wrong/optimized in the wrong way. Saying web apps on mobile are a bad idea based on that doesn't make sense.

by vu0tran 14y ago

ananddass 14y ago

Agree that it isnt currently fluid enough from a UX standpoint. But precisely why all of us should get behind HTML5 and push it harder. That's why we decided to contribute our resources towards it and wanted to encourage the community to support HTML5 as well. The last thing we want happening is that folks stop developing for HTML5 since one of the big boys out there feels otherwise.

camus 14y ago
about HTML5 on mobile : + the problem is at the source. bad language and api design choices make HTML5 what it is now. You cant build great software with bad technologies. Is it here to stay ? yes , Is is over-rated? of course. You want a great UX? then go native. obj-c is not that hard, and java is easy to learn. why anybody would want to do some javascript instead is a mistery.
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MatthewPhillips 14y ago

There is virtually no browser competition on mobile. On the desktop browser vendors directly compete which led to the innovation we saw the last few years. But on mobile the browser is a feature of the OS, reducing its importance. So we have stagnation. Releasing one browser update per year is seen as acceptable.

graue 14y ago
Good point. Fortunately Firefox on Android is now competitive with Chrome, so we will hopefully see this start to change (though the rendering engine monopolies on iOS/WinPhone aren't helping).
recursive 14y ago
I have four different browsers on my phone. What would constitute competition?
- MatthewPhillips 14y ago
  Market share

bialecki 14y ago

What about the LinkedIn app? Don't they use a lot of HTML(5) in their app? Facebook just happens to be a big company that said HTML5 didn't work for them. For all we know they designed it wrong/optimized in the wrong way. Saying web apps on mobile are a bad idea based on that doesn't make sense.