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Russia Today et al are banned in the EU. This is standard European censorship of Russian media and news.

jan_g 11mo ago
It's not banned. I am within EU and can normally access RT website. I can also access yandex, etc. Without VPN or proxies. SO, how is this "standard European censorship"? Don't believe Facebook and Twitter propaganda bots.
- lenkite 11mo ago
  Yes, it is officially banned (along with Sputnik and other Russian media). It is sad that you don't know this as an EU citizen and think that formal directives of your union are Facebook and Twitter propaganda bots "On 2 March 2022, the Council of the European Union adopted a measure suspending the broadcasting activities of RT (and another Russian outlet Sputnik) in the EU" https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022/03/02/eu-imposes-sanctions-on-state-owned-outlets-rtrussia-today-and-sputnik-s-broadcasting-in-the-eu/ https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022... "Russia’s war of aggression against Ukraine: Council bans broadcasting activities in the European Union of four more Russia-associated media outlets" https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2024/05/17/russia-s-war-of-aggression-against-ukraine-council-bans-broadcasting-activities-in-the-european-union-of-four-more-russia-associated-media-outlets/ https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2024...
  - jan_g 11mo ago
    Yeah, I know about that. But it's not been implemented, so RT is in practice accessible. As are other Russian websites. I don't know what is sad about it, I'm just saying what is in real life, not what is on paper.
    - SanjayMehta 11mo ago
      In real life, European hypocrisy is off the charts. BBC got caught manipulating videos featuring Trump. 12000 people were detained in the UK for thought crimes. In one year. One little old lady was arrested for praying silently. France went after Durov. Russia media IS banned, hiding behind ISP incompetence doesn't count. Come on. Wake up. We who have lived under actual socialist dictators can see what's happening.
      - lenkite 11mo ago
        Yeah, the EU (and also the UK earlier) were always lecturing to the third world on human rights and tolerance and media freedom/integrity, blah-blah not so long ago. So many pompous speeches made. Now, it is eye-rolling to see them backtrack hard on everything they stood for.
      - jan_g 11mo ago
        I see you have an axe to grind with EU. That's fine, but I'll say that I also lived in socialism, so I do have experience and perspective of what it was like. And precisely because of that, these EU bans don't worry me at all. I know the difference as opposed to many who think they know the difference.
        SanjayMehta 11mo ago
        We are sick of European hypocrisy; lecturing the "third world" on democracy, freedom of the press, human rights, climate change blah blah blah instead of introspecting on the mess within. [0] https://www.outlookindia.com/national/explained-what-jaishankar-said-about-europe-why-germany-chancellor-praises-him-news-263632 https://www.outlookindia.com/national/explained-what-jaishan...
        cosmicgadget 11mo ago
        I could swear I have read something about the BBC and UK introspecting over this "scandal".
        11mo ago
    - crazybonkersai 11mo ago
      It implemented on a DNS level. Easily circumvented by using a third party dns server (like Google or Cloudflare). Nonetheless this is political censorship plain and simple. EU crying about censorship in other countries is just pure hypocrisy.
      - jan_g 11mo ago
        Of course it's political, what else could it be? If Putin's regime is censoring western media, is it any less political? In other words, is there any censoring of news media (foreign or domestic) you would consider apolitical? > EU crying about censorship in other countries is just pure hypocrisy. I don't see any crying about censorship. It's a made up argument. Personally, I couldn't care less about censoring in Russia or any other country that I'm not living in.
        lenkite 11mo ago
        > If Putin's regime is censoring western media, is it any less political? Would like to point out that Russian bans came in response to the EU ban. "The EU first banned Russian state media outlets like RT and Sputnik on March 1, 2022, as part of sanctions against Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Russia then restricted access to Western outlets, such as the BBC and Deutsche Welle, on March 4, 2022, in response. A more recent cycle occurred in 2024, with the EU banning Voice of Europe, RIA Novosti, Izvestia, and Rossiyskaya Gazeta on May 17 (effective June 25), followed by Russia's ban on 81 EU media outlets, including Politico and AFP, on June 25. In both cases, Russia's actions came after the EU's." Personally, I think this is stupid but domestic politics sadly always trump international common-sense.
dr_dshiv 11mo ago
Yeah, that’s weird. Also many local news sites around the world are effectively banned in EU because of lack of GDPR compliance. Messed up.
platevoltage 11mo ago
I live in a country that is in the process of banning TikTok.
- SanjayMehta 11mo ago
  I live in a country which banned TikTok. Nothing of value was lost.
  - platevoltage 11mo ago
    I'm sure it was a value to at least some people. Nothing of value would be lost for me if Fox News was banned. It's still censorship.
    - SanjayMehta 11mo ago
      They moved on to Instagram and X. I can't tell the difference between CNN and Fox. They're all liars.
      - platevoltage 11mo ago
        They are all liars, but if you can't tell the difference, you aren't paying attention.
        SanjayMehta 11mo ago
        If they're both lying, how does it matter if they are different lies? No, I don't pay attention to US media as a source of real news. It's just fiction, pandering to two different audiences.
computerthings 11mo ago
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mopsi 11mo ago
> This is standard European censorship of Russian media and news. There is not a single media outlet left in Russia anymore. The media crackdown is complete. They are all government propaganda now, repeating the same narratives dictated by the Kremlin and free only to choose the wording. They deserve to be removed from the market the same way a box of cereal is pulled when ingredients do not match the printing on the box.
- SanjayMehta 11mo ago
  Of course, US media is completely independent and has diverse views. We should all emulate US media. https://theweek.com/speedreads/764546/watch-surreal-video-compilation-dozens-local-news-anchors-giving-exact-same-warning-about-fake-news https://theweek.com/speedreads/764546/watch-surreal-video-co...
  - mopsi 11mo ago
    The other day I saw Judge Napolitano calling for Hegseth to be prosecuted as a war criminal for ordering a second strike on the survivors of a boat strike. This happened on Newsmax, which is ultra partisan and very pro-Trump. And even they are not always following the party line. Nothing of this sort happens in Russia anymore. The Kremlin has full editorial control over all media outlets. What they want published gets published; what they want suppressed does not. That's it. If you can find a single instance of the Russian minister of defence being accused of war crimes in the Russian media, then we can discuss further how the two countries compare. Until then, even the US corpo-infested media landscape remains leagues above Russia's.
    - SanjayMehta 11mo ago
      What Russian war crimes? While the US commits nothing but war crimes.
      - cosmicgadget 11mo ago
        You can be anti-west without being a Putin apologist.

jan_g 11mo ago

It's not banned. I am within EU and can normally access RT website. I can also access yandex, etc. Without VPN or proxies. SO, how is this "standard European censorship"? Don't believe Facebook and Twitter propaganda bots.

lenkite 11mo ago
Yes, it is officially banned (along with Sputnik and other Russian media). It is sad that you don't know this as an EU citizen and think that formal directives of your union are Facebook and Twitter propaganda bots "On 2 March 2022, the Council of the European Union adopted a measure suspending the broadcasting activities of RT (and another Russian outlet Sputnik) in the EU" https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022/03/02/eu-imposes-sanctions-on-state-owned-outlets-rtrussia-today-and-sputnik-s-broadcasting-in-the-eu/ https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022... "Russia’s war of aggression against Ukraine: Council bans broadcasting activities in the European Union of four more Russia-associated media outlets" https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2024/05/17/russia-s-war-of-aggression-against-ukraine-council-bans-broadcasting-activities-in-the-european-union-of-four-more-russia-associated-media-outlets/ https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2024...
- jan_g 11mo ago
  Yeah, I know about that. But it's not been implemented, so RT is in practice accessible. As are other Russian websites. I don't know what is sad about it, I'm just saying what is in real life, not what is on paper.
  - SanjayMehta 11mo ago
    In real life, European hypocrisy is off the charts. BBC got caught manipulating videos featuring Trump. 12000 people were detained in the UK for thought crimes. In one year. One little old lady was arrested for praying silently. France went after Durov. Russia media IS banned, hiding behind ISP incompetence doesn't count. Come on. Wake up. We who have lived under actual socialist dictators can see what's happening.
    - lenkite 11mo ago
      Yeah, the EU (and also the UK earlier) were always lecturing to the third world on human rights and tolerance and media freedom/integrity, blah-blah not so long ago. So many pompous speeches made. Now, it is eye-rolling to see them backtrack hard on everything they stood for.
    - jan_g 11mo ago
      I see you have an axe to grind with EU. That's fine, but I'll say that I also lived in socialism, so I do have experience and perspective of what it was like. And precisely because of that, these EU bans don't worry me at all. I know the difference as opposed to many who think they know the difference.
      - SanjayMehta 11mo ago
        We are sick of European hypocrisy; lecturing the "third world" on democracy, freedom of the press, human rights, climate change blah blah blah instead of introspecting on the mess within. [0] https://www.outlookindia.com/national/explained-what-jaishankar-said-about-europe-why-germany-chancellor-praises-him-news-263632 https://www.outlookindia.com/national/explained-what-jaishan...
        cosmicgadget 11mo ago
        I could swear I have read something about the BBC and UK introspecting over this "scandal".
        11mo ago
  - crazybonkersai 11mo ago
    It implemented on a DNS level. Easily circumvented by using a third party dns server (like Google or Cloudflare). Nonetheless this is political censorship plain and simple. EU crying about censorship in other countries is just pure hypocrisy.
    - jan_g 11mo ago
      Of course it's political, what else could it be? If Putin's regime is censoring western media, is it any less political? In other words, is there any censoring of news media (foreign or domestic) you would consider apolitical? > EU crying about censorship in other countries is just pure hypocrisy. I don't see any crying about censorship. It's a made up argument. Personally, I couldn't care less about censoring in Russia or any other country that I'm not living in.
      - lenkite 11mo ago
        > If Putin's regime is censoring western media, is it any less political? Would like to point out that Russian bans came in response to the EU ban. "The EU first banned Russian state media outlets like RT and Sputnik on March 1, 2022, as part of sanctions against Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Russia then restricted access to Western outlets, such as the BBC and Deutsche Welle, on March 4, 2022, in response. A more recent cycle occurred in 2024, with the EU banning Voice of Europe, RIA Novosti, Izvestia, and Rossiyskaya Gazeta on May 17 (effective June 25), followed by Russia's ban on 81 EU media outlets, including Politico and AFP, on June 25. In both cases, Russia's actions came after the EU's." Personally, I think this is stupid but domestic politics sadly always trump international common-sense.

dr_dshiv 11mo ago

Yeah, that’s weird. Also many local news sites around the world are effectively banned in EU because of lack of GDPR compliance. Messed up.

platevoltage 11mo ago

I live in a country that is in the process of banning TikTok.

SanjayMehta 11mo ago
I live in a country which banned TikTok. Nothing of value was lost.
- platevoltage 11mo ago
  I'm sure it was a value to at least some people. Nothing of value would be lost for me if Fox News was banned. It's still censorship.
  - SanjayMehta 11mo ago
    They moved on to Instagram and X. I can't tell the difference between CNN and Fox. They're all liars.
    - platevoltage 11mo ago
      They are all liars, but if you can't tell the difference, you aren't paying attention.
      - SanjayMehta 11mo ago
        If they're both lying, how does it matter if they are different lies? No, I don't pay attention to US media as a source of real news. It's just fiction, pandering to two different audiences.

computerthings 11mo ago

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mopsi 11mo ago

> This is standard European censorship of Russian media and news. There is not a single media outlet left in Russia anymore. The media crackdown is complete. They are all government propaganda now, repeating the same narratives dictated by the Kremlin and free only to choose the wording. They deserve to be removed from the market the same way a box of cereal is pulled when ingredients do not match the printing on the box.

SanjayMehta 11mo ago
Of course, US media is completely independent and has diverse views. We should all emulate US media. https://theweek.com/speedreads/764546/watch-surreal-video-compilation-dozens-local-news-anchors-giving-exact-same-warning-about-fake-news https://theweek.com/speedreads/764546/watch-surreal-video-co...
- mopsi 11mo ago
  The other day I saw Judge Napolitano calling for Hegseth to be prosecuted as a war criminal for ordering a second strike on the survivors of a boat strike. This happened on Newsmax, which is ultra partisan and very pro-Trump. And even they are not always following the party line. Nothing of this sort happens in Russia anymore. The Kremlin has full editorial control over all media outlets. What they want published gets published; what they want suppressed does not. That's it. If you can find a single instance of the Russian minister of defence being accused of war crimes in the Russian media, then we can discuss further how the two countries compare. Until then, even the US corpo-infested media landscape remains leagues above Russia's.
  - SanjayMehta 11mo ago
    What Russian war crimes? While the US commits nothing but war crimes.
    - cosmicgadget 11mo ago
      You can be anti-west without being a Putin apologist.