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Thanks for reminding me. Unfortunately yes, it's because of v8 (for Deno). For extensions, the choice was either TypeScript (and get this bloat) or go with Lua

Thanks for reminding me. Unfortunately yes, it's because of v8 (for Deno). For extensions, the choice was either TypeScript (and get this bloat) or go with Lua and a much smaller binary (but less popular language). But - I just realized stripping it brings it down to 76MB so I guess that's ok! Will push a commit :)

wg0 10mo ago
Great! Just wondering maybe Bun (different JS engine) could do the job for plugins.
- _sinelaw_ 10mo ago
  Anthropic Bun? :) I didn't realize it was an engine as well. I can take a look but we should wait and see where the acquisition takes it
  - 20after4 10mo ago
    "Bun is a new JavaScript runtime built from scratch to serve the modern JavaScript ecosystem. It has three major design goals: Speed. Bun starts fast and runs fast. It extends JavaScriptCore, the performance-minded JS engine built for Safari. Fast start times mean fast apps and fast APIs. Elegant APIs. Bun provides a minimal set of highly-optimized APIs for performing common tasks, like starting an HTTP server and writing files. Cohesive DX. Bun is a complete toolkit for building JavaScript apps, including a package manager, test runner, and bundler. Bun is designed as a drop-in replacement for Node.js. It natively implements thousands of Node.js and Web APIs, including fs, path, Buffer and more." - From the homepage[1] - it's a shame they use semantic html but no anchors for direct linking. 1. https://bun.com/ https://bun.com/
    - Defletter 10mo ago
      I think they're referring to bundling Bun into another program to use Bun as a JS runtime: https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/issues/12017 https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/issues/12017
  - 20after4 10mo ago
    "Bun itself is MIT-licensed. JavaScriptCore Bun statically links JavaScriptCore (and WebKit) which is LGPL-2 licensed. WebCore files from WebKit are also licensed under LGPL2." License compatible, probably safe from a rug pull?
  - wg0 10mo ago
    Yes but I believe it would be a safe and lighter choice. The rug pull on deno is more imminent than elsewhere.
    - _sinelaw_ 10mo ago
      Maybe I should see if I can support either one (e.g. cargo feature flag) for insurance
WhereIsTheTruth 10mo ago
> For extensions, the choice was either TypeScript (and get this bloat) or go with Lua and a much smaller binary (but less popular language). Incredible, the technical choice got overridden by popularity, leading straight to bloat
- _sinelaw_ 10mo ago
  I see extension language choice as a user-facing UX decision, and convenience is a leading concern.
  - WhereIsTheTruth 10mo ago
    I'd argue using lua is is more convenient than typescript What ever suits you, you didn't mind shipping a 400mb executable after all, so what do i know

wg0 10mo ago

Great! Just wondering maybe Bun (different JS engine) could do the job for plugins.

_sinelaw_ 10mo ago
Anthropic Bun? :) I didn't realize it was an engine as well. I can take a look but we should wait and see where the acquisition takes it
- 20after4 10mo ago
  "Bun is a new JavaScript runtime built from scratch to serve the modern JavaScript ecosystem. It has three major design goals: Speed. Bun starts fast and runs fast. It extends JavaScriptCore, the performance-minded JS engine built for Safari. Fast start times mean fast apps and fast APIs. Elegant APIs. Bun provides a minimal set of highly-optimized APIs for performing common tasks, like starting an HTTP server and writing files. Cohesive DX. Bun is a complete toolkit for building JavaScript apps, including a package manager, test runner, and bundler. Bun is designed as a drop-in replacement for Node.js. It natively implements thousands of Node.js and Web APIs, including fs, path, Buffer and more." - From the homepage[1] - it's a shame they use semantic html but no anchors for direct linking. 1. https://bun.com/ https://bun.com/
  - Defletter 10mo ago
    I think they're referring to bundling Bun into another program to use Bun as a JS runtime: https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/issues/12017 https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/issues/12017
- 20after4 10mo ago
  "Bun itself is MIT-licensed. JavaScriptCore Bun statically links JavaScriptCore (and WebKit) which is LGPL-2 licensed. WebCore files from WebKit are also licensed under LGPL2." License compatible, probably safe from a rug pull?
- wg0 10mo ago
  Yes but I believe it would be a safe and lighter choice. The rug pull on deno is more imminent than elsewhere.
  - _sinelaw_ 10mo ago
    Maybe I should see if I can support either one (e.g. cargo feature flag) for insurance

WhereIsTheTruth 10mo ago

> For extensions, the choice was either TypeScript (and get this bloat) or go with Lua and a much smaller binary (but less popular language). Incredible, the technical choice got overridden by popularity, leading straight to bloat

_sinelaw_ 10mo ago
I see extension language choice as a user-facing UX decision, and convenience is a leading concern.
- WhereIsTheTruth 10mo ago
  I'd argue using lua is is more convenient than typescript What ever suits you, you didn't mind shipping a 400mb executable after all, so what do i know