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I have a near infinite amount of respect for Wine. It seems like for at least the last twenty years, Wine just keeps getting better and better with every relea

by tombert 11mo ago

I have a near infinite amount of respect for Wine. It seems like for at least the last twenty years, Wine just keeps getting better and better with every release. I don’t know for sure, but I suspect a lot of the work is spent sussing out weird edge cases with different binaries. This is tedious, thankless work, but it is necessary to have true Windows compatibility. Wine and Proton have gotten so good that I don’t bother even checking compatibility before I buy games. The game will likely run just as well or better than on Windows and it is so consistently good that it’s not worth the small effort to check ProtonDB. I do wish that they would get Office 2024 working on Wine. This isn’t a dig at the Wine devs at all, I am sure that it’s a very hard problem, but if I can get that then I will have even more ammunition to get my parents to drop windows entirely.

d3Xt3r 11mo ago
If its for your parents, then why not switch them to OnlyOffice? Its UI is very similar to MSO and it has excellent compatibility with the 2007+ file formats (much better than LibreOffice).
- tombert 11mo ago
  Oh it’s not for lack of trying on my end. I tried getting them to play with OnlyOffice, and they said it was worse. If it doesn’t say Microsoft Office on there, they will say it’s worse. Objectivity has little to do with it. In a bit of fairness, my dad makes extremely liberal use of the VBA in Excel, and I am not sure how compatible OnlyOffice is for that.
  - cromka 11mo ago
    There's an alternative project that runs Windows apps in a VM but integrates them fully and transparently into your Linux desktop, with MS Office particularly tended to. The apps run as if they're native to Linux. It was discussed here just this past week.
    - tombert 11mo ago
      Yeah, Winboat, I might be part of that conversation you're referring to. I haven't ruled that out yet. I am planning on trying to convince them on this next time they ask me for tech support.
      - cromka 11mo ago
        If you do it would be interesting to hear if/how well they adapted to it. Might do same thing myself with my father.
        tombert 11mo ago
        I wouldn't hold my breath. I've been trying to get them to switch for the better part of a year, and even Windows Update completely bricking my mom's computer [1] (look at my post history if you want more details on that) wasn't enough to convince them. I'm not sure what else could happen outside of Bill Gates personally leaving a flaming bag of dog manure on their porch. [1] I'll say it again; if anyone here works on Windows Update, please consider getting out of the software game and maybe consider a job in the exciting world of janitorial or food service, because you are exceedingly bad at the whole "software thing" and you should be ashamed of yourself and how much damage you have cost the entire world with your utterly incompetent software.
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    - thesnide 11mo ago
      lsw :)
SchemaLoad 11mo ago
Sadly Wine only seems to be working well for games. Every non gaming app I've tried to run does not work. It does seem like Valve and the gaming community is contributing almost all the effort on the project.
- tombert 11mo ago
  I haven't been able to get MSOffice working, but I didn't have much issue getting Toon Boom Animate to work. Which apps give you trouble?
  - SchemaLoad 11mo ago
    I've tried a range of DJ software and they are all broken in Wine.
    - The_SamminAter 11mo ago
      There is this[0], but even with re-creating this patch on the latest wine-staging tree, I was unable to get Rekordbox (6, don’t try 7) to communicate with the board. That said, I was also unable to interact with Mixxx with the board, and that wasn’t running through wine. As a sanity check, I verified that the board runs fine on Rekordbox 6 on Windows. I was able to read the midi inputs from the board just fine from other programs on Linux, so I’m honestly not sure where the issue lies. [0]: https://erhan.es/blog/using-pioneer-controller-with-rekordbox-in-linux/ https://erhan.es/blog/using-pioneer-controller-with-rekordbo...
- password4321 11mo ago
  CodeWeavers sells app support: https://www.codeweavers.com/crossover https://www.codeweavers.com/crossover

by tombert 11mo ago

d3Xt3r 11mo ago

If its for your parents, then why not switch them to OnlyOffice? Its UI is very similar to MSO and it has excellent compatibility with the 2007+ file formats (much better than LibreOffice).

tombert 11mo ago
Oh it’s not for lack of trying on my end. I tried getting them to play with OnlyOffice, and they said it was worse. If it doesn’t say Microsoft Office on there, they will say it’s worse. Objectivity has little to do with it. In a bit of fairness, my dad makes extremely liberal use of the VBA in Excel, and I am not sure how compatible OnlyOffice is for that.
- cromka 11mo ago
  There's an alternative project that runs Windows apps in a VM but integrates them fully and transparently into your Linux desktop, with MS Office particularly tended to. The apps run as if they're native to Linux. It was discussed here just this past week.
  - tombert 11mo ago
    Yeah, Winboat, I might be part of that conversation you're referring to. I haven't ruled that out yet. I am planning on trying to convince them on this next time they ask me for tech support.
    - cromka 11mo ago
      If you do it would be interesting to hear if/how well they adapted to it. Might do same thing myself with my father.
      - tombert 11mo ago
        I wouldn't hold my breath. I've been trying to get them to switch for the better part of a year, and even Windows Update completely bricking my mom's computer [1] (look at my post history if you want more details on that) wasn't enough to convince them. I'm not sure what else could happen outside of Bill Gates personally leaving a flaming bag of dog manure on their porch. [1] I'll say it again; if anyone here works on Windows Update, please consider getting out of the software game and maybe consider a job in the exciting world of janitorial or food service, because you are exceedingly bad at the whole "software thing" and you should be ashamed of yourself and how much damage you have cost the entire world with your utterly incompetent software.
    - deleted 11mo ago
      [deleted]
  - thesnide 11mo ago
    lsw :)

SchemaLoad 11mo ago

Sadly Wine only seems to be working well for games. Every non gaming app I've tried to run does not work. It does seem like Valve and the gaming community is contributing almost all the effort on the project.

tombert 11mo ago
I haven't been able to get MSOffice working, but I didn't have much issue getting Toon Boom Animate to work. Which apps give you trouble?
- SchemaLoad 11mo ago
  I've tried a range of DJ software and they are all broken in Wine.
  - The_SamminAter 11mo ago
    There is this[0], but even with re-creating this patch on the latest wine-staging tree, I was unable to get Rekordbox (6, don’t try 7) to communicate with the board. That said, I was also unable to interact with Mixxx with the board, and that wasn’t running through wine. As a sanity check, I verified that the board runs fine on Rekordbox 6 on Windows. I was able to read the midi inputs from the board just fine from other programs on Linux, so I’m honestly not sure where the issue lies. [0]: https://erhan.es/blog/using-pioneer-controller-with-rekordbox-in-linux/ https://erhan.es/blog/using-pioneer-controller-with-rekordbo...
password4321 11mo ago
CodeWeavers sells app support: https://www.codeweavers.com/crossover https://www.codeweavers.com/crossover