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At first I am sympathetic to this idea, but the act of running is so expensive and time consuming, it does not matter what the salary will be, the pool is alrea

At first I am sympathetic to this idea, but the act of running is so expensive and time consuming, it does not matter what the salary will be, the pool is already limited. You need to be well connected and/or wealthy before you even start.

hypeatei 11mo ago
That's true, and I think Bernie's idea of having publicly funded elections is great because of that issue.
- IgorPartola 11mo ago
  Or don’t have elections and pick legislators randomly like we pick juries.
  - benmmurphy 11mo ago
    I think sortition is a great idea but you would probably need a constitutional amendment if you wanted sortition in Congress or the Senate. I think the State's have some discretion over how elections are run but I don't think its enough discretion to allow appointment by RNG. I think the strongest argument you could make is its an election where everyone is forced to vote for themselves and tie-breaks are chosen by RNG but I don't think that would be valid because I assume the courts would demand electors execute some agency. The text of the constitution for electing congress says: > The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States and there is something similar for the Senate after the 17th amendment. I think pre-17th amendment States may have been able to use Sortion to appoint Senators but it would not have been legally enforceable. The State legislature could pre-commit to elect Senators by Sortition but then they could bail out and just decided to choose who they want when it came to the actual selection.
    - IgorPartola 11mo ago
      I am definitely not a lawyer, but "chosen... by the People of the several States" does not say the method of this choice. If the people of my state decide that the RNG decides, is that not "chosen by the People" of my state? Or if we still hold elections but one of the choices on the ballot is "RNG-chosen candidate"?
- otikik 11mo ago
  I would like to mention that this is not just "Bernie's idea". It's how elections are run in a lot of countries, including mine (Spain).
dfxm12 11mo ago
Publicly funded elections & doing things like repealing citizens united would address the expense. It is very time consuming though.
- phantasmish 11mo ago
  Citizens United isn’t a law, it’s a shitty Supreme Court decision. It’s on the long list of obvious problems we can’t fix without first reforming the courts (I favor increasing the justice count to match the number of circuits, and also drawing the Supreme Court justices by lot for each session from the “lower” courts—shouldn’t be any constitutional issues with that approach, so it’s just a normal law, and it ought to be easier to sell than simply expanding the court and “packing” it since it’s less-partisan)
- bcrosby95 11mo ago
  I don't know how you repeal citizens united. That decision basically fucked the US over for a very long time. I'll probably be dead before it's fixed.

hypeatei 11mo ago

That's true, and I think Bernie's idea of having publicly funded elections is great because of that issue.

IgorPartola 11mo ago
Or don’t have elections and pick legislators randomly like we pick juries.
- benmmurphy 11mo ago
  I think sortition is a great idea but you would probably need a constitutional amendment if you wanted sortition in Congress or the Senate. I think the State's have some discretion over how elections are run but I don't think its enough discretion to allow appointment by RNG. I think the strongest argument you could make is its an election where everyone is forced to vote for themselves and tie-breaks are chosen by RNG but I don't think that would be valid because I assume the courts would demand electors execute some agency. The text of the constitution for electing congress says: > The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States and there is something similar for the Senate after the 17th amendment. I think pre-17th amendment States may have been able to use Sortion to appoint Senators but it would not have been legally enforceable. The State legislature could pre-commit to elect Senators by Sortition but then they could bail out and just decided to choose who they want when it came to the actual selection.
  - IgorPartola 11mo ago
    I am definitely not a lawyer, but "chosen... by the People of the several States" does not say the method of this choice. If the people of my state decide that the RNG decides, is that not "chosen by the People" of my state? Or if we still hold elections but one of the choices on the ballot is "RNG-chosen candidate"?
otikik 11mo ago
I would like to mention that this is not just "Bernie's idea". It's how elections are run in a lot of countries, including mine (Spain).

dfxm12 11mo ago

Publicly funded elections & doing things like repealing citizens united would address the expense. It is very time consuming though.

phantasmish 11mo ago
Citizens United isn’t a law, it’s a shitty Supreme Court decision. It’s on the long list of obvious problems we can’t fix without first reforming the courts (I favor increasing the justice count to match the number of circuits, and also drawing the Supreme Court justices by lot for each session from the “lower” courts—shouldn’t be any constitutional issues with that approach, so it’s just a normal law, and it ought to be easier to sell than simply expanding the court and “packing” it since it’s less-partisan)
bcrosby95 11mo ago
I don't know how you repeal citizens united. That decision basically fucked the US over for a very long time. I'll probably be dead before it's fixed.