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It's weird that they'd have the crew in the frame anyway. Was it really not possible to have them out of frame? I guess being able to "do it in post" makes peop

It's weird that they'd have the crew in the frame anyway. Was it really not possible to have them out of frame? I guess being able to "do it in post" makes people lazy?

fredoralive 11mo ago
Possibly some issues with the hose length and the ability control the flow? Or perhaps it’s just an off the shelf up chuck chucker that doesn’t have a longer hose?
- whycome 11mo ago
  I think we are also forgetting that the crew member IS a part of the scene. They have to see the actor and respond to their actions to make sure the flow aligns. It’s much harder to control the flow as it pertains to the actor if you have the latency of a long pipe. And having the real product on set allows the other actors to give realistic reactions.
liampulles 11mo ago
Probably more a function of "shit happens" when doing something new (making and using a "vomit hose") in a big, multi-functional project (shooting a TV show).
the_af 11mo ago
If it can be fixed in post, what's the problem? The only flaw here is that they completely screwed up and forgot post for these scenes (in the remaster).
- nayroclade 11mo ago
  Apparently they didn't forget. Lionsgate did all the necessary work, then someone sent the "wrong file" to HBO Max, and it seems nobody checked it properly before uploading it! Given the volume of material these streamers are handling, I expect QA is minimal. I remember when I was watching Frasier on Amazon Prime, a bunch of the episodes had been configured to play in the wrong aspect ratio. Clearly nobody had ever bothered to check them.
  - sevensor 11mo ago
    I’ve seen movies on Prime where the audio was very badly out of sync. I thought it was my setup at first, but I was able to isolate it to particular titles. Like watching a bad dub from another language.
  - the_af 11mo ago
    > Given the volume of material these streamers are handling, I expect QA is minimal Yeah, I expect QA is minimal for these shows that are past their prime. Only fans will really watch them again, it's probably not worth it to spend the extra time to review every single episode. (But of course, fans will care! I'm just saying it's probably not worthwhile for HBO to check)
    - WorldMaker 11mo ago
      HBO Max was advertising this as a big new exciting release. They probably paid a bunch of money for exclusive streaming rights and expected to capture a new audience that missed the show the first time.
  - ApolloFortyNine 11mo ago
    Friends on Netflix one day years ago had the extended versions of the episodes. They fixed it quickly, but it's kind of a shame since it'd be nice if we had the choice to select which version we wanted to see.
  - cuvinny 11mo ago
    When I worked in the VOD industry we never almost never did a precheck of the files. The content provider (Lionsgate in this case) would upload the files that would then get ingested by the CMS system for normalization and transcoding. The most check the distributor did was add metadata marks for ad breaks and random checks for transcode quality. I set up custom ingest workflows many cable companies around the world and they all worked the same. You just had to trust that the providers sent you good copies and get them to fix their shit if it was wrong. Most of the time it was bad metadata (episode description, ect).
lou1306 11mo ago
I guess the crew has to stay pretty close to the end of the hose or it becomes hard to time the... flow... correctly. Likely, they still had to process the frames anyway to make the... flow... look like it comes out of Sterling's mouth, not from the side of his face, so it was basically no extra cost.
actionfromafar 11mo ago
They were out of frame. Out of the 4:3 frame. Edit: I jumped the gun and thought we were talking about the Friends screenshot.
- dghf 11mo ago
  But it was never intended for 4:3. They were always in frame, just digitally removed.
- thejohnconway 11mo ago
  No the original was 16:9, you can see they have been digitally removed in the shots from the Blu-ray.
joncrane 11mo ago
Hypothesis: They were set up to shoot that scene that day and they were on a tight schedule. They started to set up and they realized they only had 12 feet of hose, or that the pressure dropped too much with a longer length of hose. They discussed all the options, and fixing it physically would take too long or be too expensive. Thus another "we'll fix it in post!" moment was born.
eknkc 11mo ago
They were already gonna edit it in post to remove the hose anyway.. Might as well remove the crew too in that case.
crazygringo 11mo ago
It's not laziness! It's the fact that shooting is enormously expensive per-minute, and time-constrained. Think of the sheer number of crew involved. And then think of the sheer number of shots you have to get per day, to stay on schedule and on budget. If there was a mixup and it's going to take half an hour to get and set up a longer hose, it's much cheaper to have 1 person do it in post if it takes a day, versus delay the shot for half an hour while 50 people wait around. (And no, you often can't just shoot a different shot in the meantime, because that involves rearranging the lighting and set which takes just as long.)
astura 11mo ago
Likely harder to get the timing and pressure right with a longer hose.
whycome 11mo ago
They didn’t buy the XL model

It's weird that they'd have the crew in the frame anyway. Was it really not possible to have them out of frame? I guess being able to "do it in post" makes people lazy?

fredoralive 11mo ago

Possibly some issues with the hose length and the ability control the flow? Or perhaps it’s just an off the shelf up chuck chucker that doesn’t have a longer hose?

whycome 11mo ago
I think we are also forgetting that the crew member IS a part of the scene. They have to see the actor and respond to their actions to make sure the flow aligns. It’s much harder to control the flow as it pertains to the actor if you have the latency of a long pipe. And having the real product on set allows the other actors to give realistic reactions.

liampulles 11mo ago

Probably more a function of "shit happens" when doing something new (making and using a "vomit hose") in a big, multi-functional project (shooting a TV show).

the_af 11mo ago

If it can be fixed in post, what's the problem? The only flaw here is that they completely screwed up and forgot post for these scenes (in the remaster).

nayroclade 11mo ago
Apparently they didn't forget. Lionsgate did all the necessary work, then someone sent the "wrong file" to HBO Max, and it seems nobody checked it properly before uploading it! Given the volume of material these streamers are handling, I expect QA is minimal. I remember when I was watching Frasier on Amazon Prime, a bunch of the episodes had been configured to play in the wrong aspect ratio. Clearly nobody had ever bothered to check them.
- sevensor 11mo ago
  I’ve seen movies on Prime where the audio was very badly out of sync. I thought it was my setup at first, but I was able to isolate it to particular titles. Like watching a bad dub from another language.
- the_af 11mo ago
  > Given the volume of material these streamers are handling, I expect QA is minimal Yeah, I expect QA is minimal for these shows that are past their prime. Only fans will really watch them again, it's probably not worth it to spend the extra time to review every single episode. (But of course, fans will care! I'm just saying it's probably not worthwhile for HBO to check)
  - WorldMaker 11mo ago
    HBO Max was advertising this as a big new exciting release. They probably paid a bunch of money for exclusive streaming rights and expected to capture a new audience that missed the show the first time.
- ApolloFortyNine 11mo ago
  Friends on Netflix one day years ago had the extended versions of the episodes. They fixed it quickly, but it's kind of a shame since it'd be nice if we had the choice to select which version we wanted to see.
- cuvinny 11mo ago
  When I worked in the VOD industry we never almost never did a precheck of the files. The content provider (Lionsgate in this case) would upload the files that would then get ingested by the CMS system for normalization and transcoding. The most check the distributor did was add metadata marks for ad breaks and random checks for transcode quality. I set up custom ingest workflows many cable companies around the world and they all worked the same. You just had to trust that the providers sent you good copies and get them to fix their shit if it was wrong. Most of the time it was bad metadata (episode description, ect).

lou1306 11mo ago

I guess the crew has to stay pretty close to the end of the hose or it becomes hard to time the... flow... correctly. Likely, they still had to process the frames anyway to make the... flow... look like it comes out of Sterling's mouth, not from the side of his face, so it was basically no extra cost.

actionfromafar 11mo ago

They were out of frame. Out of the 4:3 frame. Edit: I jumped the gun and thought we were talking about the Friends screenshot.

dghf 11mo ago
But it was never intended for 4:3. They were always in frame, just digitally removed.
thejohnconway 11mo ago
No the original was 16:9, you can see they have been digitally removed in the shots from the Blu-ray.

joncrane 11mo ago

Hypothesis: They were set up to shoot that scene that day and they were on a tight schedule. They started to set up and they realized they only had 12 feet of hose, or that the pressure dropped too much with a longer length of hose. They discussed all the options, and fixing it physically would take too long or be too expensive. Thus another "we'll fix it in post!" moment was born.

eknkc 11mo ago

They were already gonna edit it in post to remove the hose anyway.. Might as well remove the crew too in that case.

crazygringo 11mo ago

It's not laziness! It's the fact that shooting is enormously expensive per-minute, and time-constrained. Think of the sheer number of crew involved. And then think of the sheer number of shots you have to get per day, to stay on schedule and on budget. If there was a mixup and it's going to take half an hour to get and set up a longer hose, it's much cheaper to have 1 person do it in post if it takes a day, versus delay the shot for half an hour while 50 people wait around. (And no, you often can't just shoot a different shot in the meantime, because that involves rearranging the lighting and set which takes just as long.)

astura 11mo ago

Likely harder to get the timing and pressure right with a longer hose.

whycome 11mo ago

They didn’t buy the XL model