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This morning in Amsterdam a dog got struck and was killed by one of these vehicles, happend right in front of me. Poor doggo

by matonias 10mo ago

jacquesm 10mo ago
What idiot would drive one of these in Amsterdam to begin with? It just doesn't fit the way traffic is organized there.
- CalRobert 10mo ago
  It doesn't, but people do it. Here's one in Utrecht https://urbanists.social/@Fuzzbizz/109608802470660144 https://urbanists.social/@Fuzzbizz/109608802470660144
  - jacquesm 10mo ago
    That doesn't just seem selfish, it is selfish. And if it was a renovation crew or so carrying tools I would say they at least have some use for it (though a VW transporter would be just as effective, if not more so).
    - ricardobeat 10mo ago
      A Mercedes Vito, despite being nearly 1m shorter and normal car width, has 4-5x the carry capacity and a 3x longer bed than the RAM. These cars are just for show, you can probably find a Kei truck with similar capacity.
      - lan321 10mo ago
        > These cars are just for show I love vans more than any vehicle, but they're garbage at offroad compared to trucks (even 4motion, etc can't compare). Most people don't use them for that, but in villa constructions sometimes you really want a pickup to get to the site. They're also better than vans in snow. Edge cases but they exist and they're not so obscure that I haven't experienced them.
        ricardobeat 10mo ago
        Indeed, there are probably a few applications where it makes sense – though I suspect a classic, normal-sized Hilux/Frontier/Ranger would excel at that with none of the downsides. That said, 95% of construction work in europe does not involve any off-road driving at all, and definitely not around the Amsterdam/Utrecht area.
        jacquesm 10mo ago
        If all off-road vehicles that had never gone off-road evaporated the world would instantly be a better place.
      - Aloisius 10mo ago
        A RAM 1500 can haul 1.3x the weight and tow 4.7x the weight of a Vito. And a RAM can go off-road. They are, ultimately, made for different workloads.
  - gorgabal 10mo ago
    There is one driving around near where I live in Amsterdam as well. I am quite tall, even for Dutch standards, but the hood reaches my shoulder easily. It also drives around quite a busy neighbourhood. So I expect this specific car to kill someone within the next 5 years or so.
    - walletdrainer 10mo ago
      There are much more dangerous vehicles around on European roads, such as most buses, trams and lorries.
      - Ekaros 10mo ago
        Those tend to have no bonnets. So there are some risks and accidents still, but in general they do have better visibility.
        jacquesm 10mo ago
        And professional drivers.
        mvdwoord 10mo ago
        They get paid for what they do, their "profession". Most of them are not particularly good ;)
        jacquesm 10mo ago
        That may be true, but on average I would expect them to be better drivers than the pick-up-in-the-inner-city crowd, whose choices are already off to a poor start before they turn the ignition key, after all, they picked the wrong vehicle for the surroundings.
        walletdrainer 10mo ago
        There are probably less than two hundred people like that in the entire EU. Kind of a pointlessly small demographic to focus on.
- defrost 10mo ago
  Here's an example of driving "standard" historic UK rural roads: https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/b2ad/live/a20a6de0-cf93-11f0-a892-01d657345866.jpg https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/b2ad/live/a20a6d... from: 'Carspreading' is on the rise - and not everyone is happy about it - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy7vdvl2531o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy7vdvl2531o Throws in the term "Chelsea Tractor", in Australia in the 1980's they were called Toorak Tractors or simply Yank Tanks.
  - iso1631 10mo ago
    I don't see the issue with the driving standards in the photo. Road is quite wide too, and those yellow lines suggest some town area. You do get problems in rural areas with idiots in Chelsea Tractors though. Leave them in the city -- there's no room for you in rural areas. (For those whining about having to do the school run, just got back in my 1.6m wide car with 2 kids, 6 bags, skateboard and guitar, no problems on the 8 miles of single track road even when the lorries come the other way)
    - WreckVenom 10mo ago
      > I don't see the issue with the driving standards in the photo. Road is quite wide too, and those yellow lines suggest some town area. It isn't the Rural Roads in the UK. Also the cars in the photo are kinda normal sized. The Volkwagen people carrier thing in the photo isn't that wide actually.
  - WreckVenom 10mo ago
    That doesn't look like rural road in the UK (yellow lines down each side). I drive down rural roads everyday and there are usually no road markings. Honestly getting past people isn't that much of an issue. There are normally passing spots where you pull over to let people through. "Chelsea Tractor" is more of a dig at people Range Rovers for the looks and it never been using off-road. There is a brand in the UK that have decided to "own" the label. Not sure why you would want/need a Ineos Grenadier in London, but some people will buy one. https://www.chelseatruckcompany.com/ https://www.chelseatruckcompany.com/
- embedding-shape 10mo ago
  They're starting to become more common in Spain too, even in villages/towns where they definitely don't fit. Through the years I've seen two of them stuck because they tried to fit into small village roads where hardly normal passenger cars can fit.
- expedition32 10mo ago
  I saw a Ferrari trying to navigate speed bumps and a roundabout once. People are strange.
  - jacquesm 10mo ago
    In Amsterdam I got called by a friend if I could please drive a car out of a garage. I thought it was a pretty strange request. Turned out this was in a building on Stadhouderskade, an underground garage. Some guy had driven his Ferrari down into the garage, parked it, had his meeting and on the way out realized he couldn't turn it around but he did not dare to make the trip backwards... I said sure, got in reversed it up the ramp and he was pretty happy, then asked if I wasn't nervous. "Not my car" :)
roman_soldier 10mo ago
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This morning in Amsterdam a dog got struck and was killed by one of these vehicles, happend right in front of me. Poor doggo

jacquesm 10mo ago

What idiot would drive one of these in Amsterdam to begin with? It just doesn't fit the way traffic is organized there.

CalRobert 10mo ago
It doesn't, but people do it. Here's one in Utrecht https://urbanists.social/@Fuzzbizz/109608802470660144 https://urbanists.social/@Fuzzbizz/109608802470660144
- jacquesm 10mo ago
  That doesn't just seem selfish, it is selfish. And if it was a renovation crew or so carrying tools I would say they at least have some use for it (though a VW transporter would be just as effective, if not more so).
  - ricardobeat 10mo ago
    A Mercedes Vito, despite being nearly 1m shorter and normal car width, has 4-5x the carry capacity and a 3x longer bed than the RAM. These cars are just for show, you can probably find a Kei truck with similar capacity.
    - lan321 10mo ago
      > These cars are just for show I love vans more than any vehicle, but they're garbage at offroad compared to trucks (even 4motion, etc can't compare). Most people don't use them for that, but in villa constructions sometimes you really want a pickup to get to the site. They're also better than vans in snow. Edge cases but they exist and they're not so obscure that I haven't experienced them.
      - ricardobeat 10mo ago
        Indeed, there are probably a few applications where it makes sense – though I suspect a classic, normal-sized Hilux/Frontier/Ranger would excel at that with none of the downsides. That said, 95% of construction work in europe does not involve any off-road driving at all, and definitely not around the Amsterdam/Utrecht area.
      - jacquesm 10mo ago
        If all off-road vehicles that had never gone off-road evaporated the world would instantly be a better place.
    - Aloisius 10mo ago
      A RAM 1500 can haul 1.3x the weight and tow 4.7x the weight of a Vito. And a RAM can go off-road. They are, ultimately, made for different workloads.
- gorgabal 10mo ago
  There is one driving around near where I live in Amsterdam as well. I am quite tall, even for Dutch standards, but the hood reaches my shoulder easily. It also drives around quite a busy neighbourhood. So I expect this specific car to kill someone within the next 5 years or so.
  - walletdrainer 10mo ago
    There are much more dangerous vehicles around on European roads, such as most buses, trams and lorries.
    - Ekaros 10mo ago
      Those tend to have no bonnets. So there are some risks and accidents still, but in general they do have better visibility.
      - jacquesm 10mo ago
        And professional drivers.
        mvdwoord 10mo ago
        They get paid for what they do, their "profession". Most of them are not particularly good ;)
        jacquesm 10mo ago
        That may be true, but on average I would expect them to be better drivers than the pick-up-in-the-inner-city crowd, whose choices are already off to a poor start before they turn the ignition key, after all, they picked the wrong vehicle for the surroundings.
        walletdrainer 10mo ago
        There are probably less than two hundred people like that in the entire EU. Kind of a pointlessly small demographic to focus on.
defrost 10mo ago
Here's an example of driving "standard" historic UK rural roads: https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/b2ad/live/a20a6de0-cf93-11f0-a892-01d657345866.jpg https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/b2ad/live/a20a6d... from: 'Carspreading' is on the rise - and not everyone is happy about it - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy7vdvl2531o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy7vdvl2531o Throws in the term "Chelsea Tractor", in Australia in the 1980's they were called Toorak Tractors or simply Yank Tanks.
- iso1631 10mo ago
  I don't see the issue with the driving standards in the photo. Road is quite wide too, and those yellow lines suggest some town area. You do get problems in rural areas with idiots in Chelsea Tractors though. Leave them in the city -- there's no room for you in rural areas. (For those whining about having to do the school run, just got back in my 1.6m wide car with 2 kids, 6 bags, skateboard and guitar, no problems on the 8 miles of single track road even when the lorries come the other way)
  - WreckVenom 10mo ago
    > I don't see the issue with the driving standards in the photo. Road is quite wide too, and those yellow lines suggest some town area. It isn't the Rural Roads in the UK. Also the cars in the photo are kinda normal sized. The Volkwagen people carrier thing in the photo isn't that wide actually.
- WreckVenom 10mo ago
  That doesn't look like rural road in the UK (yellow lines down each side). I drive down rural roads everyday and there are usually no road markings. Honestly getting past people isn't that much of an issue. There are normally passing spots where you pull over to let people through. "Chelsea Tractor" is more of a dig at people Range Rovers for the looks and it never been using off-road. There is a brand in the UK that have decided to "own" the label. Not sure why you would want/need a Ineos Grenadier in London, but some people will buy one. https://www.chelseatruckcompany.com/ https://www.chelseatruckcompany.com/
embedding-shape 10mo ago
They're starting to become more common in Spain too, even in villages/towns where they definitely don't fit. Through the years I've seen two of them stuck because they tried to fit into small village roads where hardly normal passenger cars can fit.
expedition32 10mo ago
I saw a Ferrari trying to navigate speed bumps and a roundabout once. People are strange.
- jacquesm 10mo ago
  In Amsterdam I got called by a friend if I could please drive a car out of a garage. I thought it was a pretty strange request. Turned out this was in a building on Stadhouderskade, an underground garage. Some guy had driven his Ferrari down into the garage, parked it, had his meeting and on the way out realized he couldn't turn it around but he did not dare to make the trip backwards... I said sure, got in reversed it up the ramp and he was pretty happy, then asked if I wasn't nervous. "Not my car" :)

roman_soldier 10mo ago

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