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Dutch car taxes are based on CO2 emissions and weight, these 'cars' from the US will be pricing themselves out of market anyway. > Yet, EU vehicle safety regul
by apexalpha 11mo ago
Dutch car taxes are based on CO2 emissions and weight, these 'cars' from the US will be pricing themselves out of market anyway.
> Yet, EU vehicle safety regulations have supported a 36% reduction in European road deaths since 2010. By contrast, road deaths in the US over the same period increased 30%, with pedestrian deaths up 80% and cyclist deaths up 50%.
WOW! That's massive
- jeroenhd 11mo agoThe F150 has an EV variant that will probably be affordable by Dutch road standards, given the general price of the average EV. It's time to also take into account area when it comes to vehicle tax in my opinion, even European "cars" (SUVs) are bulging out of normal parking spaces these days.
- potato3732842 11mo ago>It's time to also take into account area when it comes to vehicle tax in my opinion, even European "cars" (SUVs) are bulging out of normal parking spaces these days. Man, everything old is new again. Remember when shortsighted idiots killed compact pickups and balooned SUVs with the CAFE footpring rule? What you're advocating for sounds like it's end up being a punitive tax on minivans.
- jeroenhd 11mo agoI'm hardly alone in this. This year my government already proposed including size in road taxes: https://archive.is/HGoSB https://archive.is/HGoSB (NL, use your favourite translation service) The CAFE footprint rule killed compact cars because huge cars were permitted to be exempt. I don't see why we'd need another such exemption, other than the business vehicle exemptions we already have (otherwise vans and trucks would be impossible to afford for anyone). As for a punitive tax on minivans: if those minivans take up more space on the road/parking spaces/public spaces, I don't see why not. The impact doesn't need to be high enough to kill minivans in general, just enough not to drive an 80% minivan to work every day.
- roeles 11mo ago> The F150 has an EV variant that will probably be affordable by Dutch road standards, given the general price of the average EV. The government is ramping up the tax rates for EVs. They will pay road tax based on their weight in a few years.
- nraynaud 11mo agoIn France those asshole put those cars on a company books to avoid paying the CO2 overcharge and the VAT.
- leokennis 11mo ago> Dutch car taxes are based on CO2 emissions and weight, these 'cars' from the US will be pricing themselves out of market anyway. Look at the license plates of these "tokkie tanks": they all start with a "V" (https://www.anwb.nl/auto/autokosten/grijs-kenteken https://www.anwb.nl/auto/autokosten/grijs-kenteken) meaning the owner pays reduced tax.
- consp 11mo agoFor reference: A RAM 1500 would pay 383 Euro in Utrecht as a person and 183 as a business (quarterly). And as a bonus you pay no BPM (aquisition tax) as a business, which is in the 12000-15000 (15k) range. The BPM hole has been fixed as of 2025 but there are enough already on the road. I personally like the wanktank since it's more internationial. You cannot use a "grijs" plate as a personal vehicle unless you pay "bijtelling" which starts at 500km yearly for private usage, but I guess the milage administration will be on the same order as the driving style.
- HDThoreaun 11mo agoRoad deaths are up in the US mostly because traffic laws arent enforced in the US. Surely the massive trucks have an effect, but literally everyone breaking the speed limit and running reds definitely has a bigger effect.