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Great music is the music that creates something that isn't already there. Why would a human, but not an AI, be able to do that? John Cage's work was influence

Great music is the music that creates something that isn't already there. Why would a human, but not an AI, be able to do that? John Cage's work was influenced by literature. AI's cannot read literature?

unalone 18y ago
Why would a human, but not an AI, be able to do that? Because AI operates according to structures that have been designed by human hands. The human mind is incomprehensibly more complex than any AI. So you could make AI that does innovate, but its innovations would still be far more predictable and routine than any that a human mind could come up with. AI's cannot read literature? John Cage would read Finnegans Wake, draw lines up and down pages, and derive poems from words formed by what his line would hit. A computer would never think to do that on its own. There's a fine line between genius and insanity, it is said - and computers can't be insane.
- bd 18y ago
  Because AI operates according to structures that have been designed by human hands. The human mind is incomprehensibly more complex than any AI. So you could make AI that does innovate, but its innovations would still be far more predictable and routine than any that a human mind could come up with. Not necessarily. Using evolutionary approach, AI can come up with innovations on par (and possibly even beyond) to what humans could do: http://www.genetic-programming.com/humancompetitive.html http://www.genetic-programming.com/humancompetitive.html
  - likpok 18y ago
    The biggest issue with this contention is that no one knows how far AI can go. Furthermore, I posit that there are people who will never accept what AI does, viewing it as always lesser to human development. Someone (I don't remember who) quipped, "What is AI? Whatever a computer can't do".
    - gravitycop 18y ago
      "What is AI? Whatever a computer can't do". One implication seems to be that the human brain is itself not a computer.
      - unalone 18y ago
        It's not, in the sense that you're talking about. We don't operate through a vast system of yesses and nos. We're not just a huge binary cloud, in other words. And nobody's entirely certain just how we work. Comparing us to computers is really ignoring most of the limitations of computers, and invites far to simplistic - and inaccurate - a comparison.
        gravitycop 18y ago
        [The human brain is not a computer] in the sense that you're talking about. Is the human brain a machine? 71 hits for: http://blogsearch.google.com?q=%22brain+is+a+machine%22 http://blogsearch.google.com?q=%22brain+is+a+machine%22 8,400 hits for: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22brain+is+a+machine%22 http://www.google.com/search?q=%22brain+is+a+machine%22
        unalone 18y ago
        On the same note, 68 results for "government caused 9/11". People blogging doesn't make something a reality.
        gravitycop 18y ago
        blogging doesn't make something a reality. That implication was not intended. The search links were intended as food for thought.
        unalone 18y ago
        Ah! Gotcha. I think that "human as machine" has some interesting implications, but I think that by the time we make machines as complex and sophisticated as ourselves, they won't be machines any longer. If I see a machine that's organic and that has a superpowerful mind, I won't think it's a machine anymore.

unalone 18y ago

Why would a human, but not an AI, be able to do that? Because AI operates according to structures that have been designed by human hands. The human mind is incomprehensibly more complex than any AI. So you could make AI that does innovate, but its innovations would still be far more predictable and routine than any that a human mind could come up with. AI's cannot read literature? John Cage would read Finnegans Wake, draw lines up and down pages, and derive poems from words formed by what his line would hit. A computer would never think to do that on its own. There's a fine line between genius and insanity, it is said - and computers can't be insane.

bd 18y ago
Because AI operates according to structures that have been designed by human hands. The human mind is incomprehensibly more complex than any AI. So you could make AI that does innovate, but its innovations would still be far more predictable and routine than any that a human mind could come up with. Not necessarily. Using evolutionary approach, AI can come up with innovations on par (and possibly even beyond) to what humans could do: http://www.genetic-programming.com/humancompetitive.html http://www.genetic-programming.com/humancompetitive.html
- likpok 18y ago
  The biggest issue with this contention is that no one knows how far AI can go. Furthermore, I posit that there are people who will never accept what AI does, viewing it as always lesser to human development. Someone (I don't remember who) quipped, "What is AI? Whatever a computer can't do".
  - gravitycop 18y ago
    "What is AI? Whatever a computer can't do". One implication seems to be that the human brain is itself not a computer.
    - unalone 18y ago
      It's not, in the sense that you're talking about. We don't operate through a vast system of yesses and nos. We're not just a huge binary cloud, in other words. And nobody's entirely certain just how we work. Comparing us to computers is really ignoring most of the limitations of computers, and invites far to simplistic - and inaccurate - a comparison.
      - gravitycop 18y ago
        [The human brain is not a computer] in the sense that you're talking about. Is the human brain a machine? 71 hits for: http://blogsearch.google.com?q=%22brain+is+a+machine%22 http://blogsearch.google.com?q=%22brain+is+a+machine%22 8,400 hits for: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22brain+is+a+machine%22 http://www.google.com/search?q=%22brain+is+a+machine%22
        unalone 18y ago
        On the same note, 68 results for "government caused 9/11". People blogging doesn't make something a reality.
        gravitycop 18y ago
        blogging doesn't make something a reality. That implication was not intended. The search links were intended as food for thought.
        unalone 18y ago
        Ah! Gotcha. I think that "human as machine" has some interesting implications, but I think that by the time we make machines as complex and sophisticated as ourselves, they won't be machines any longer. If I see a machine that's organic and that has a superpowerful mind, I won't think it's a machine anymore.