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I've been seeing a few links to Strudel recently so I went digging to see how old the project is - looks like it launched in April 2022 https://loophole-letters

by simonw 1y ago

I've been seeing a few links to Strudel recently so I went digging to see how old the project is - looks like it launched in April 2022 https://loophole-letters.vercel.app/strudel https://loophole-letters.vercel.app/strudel It came out of the same team as Tidal Cycles, a Haskell live-coding music tool which was first released around 2009. https://tidalcycles.org/docs/around_tidal/tidal_history/ https://tidalcycles.org/docs/around_tidal/tidal_history/

Sammi 1y ago
Such a good example of why everything is becoming js. Because it's where the users are. Anything that isn't in js will just languish comparatively. Everything is becoming js because everything is becoming js.
- tormeh 1y ago
  Have you taken a look at how to install the Haskell variant? It's a full-on recipe, or a docker container. I'd take a desktop application over a website any day, but that was not on the menu. It was an SPA vs a devops exercise. Of course the SPA wins.
  - Sammi 1y ago
    Yes. The web wins on deployment every time.
    - nightski 1y ago
      Steam wins for games imho.
- venturecruelty 1y ago
  Tidal Cycles is hardly languishing. Not everything needs a billion users and VC funding.
- nolroz 1y ago
  ... And js is everywhere
- thoughtpalette 1y ago
  "...because everything runs js*" Javascript runs on ~70% of all devices worldwide.
pragma_x 1y ago
IIRC, that team are also (now) live-music-coding veterans, which in turn has informed how Strudel is built. It's not just a project that does stuff, it's a pretty well crafted instrument that is ideal for these performances. As an engineer, I love letting the requirements shape the solution, but this is just on a whole other level.
hecanjog 1y ago
The toplap wiki has some more history about the community too: https://toplap.org/wiki/HistoricalPerformances https://toplap.org/wiki/HistoricalPerformances Edit: oh right! Also the toplap documentary from 2005 has some actual video of early live coding performances from this community. https://archive.org/details/toplap-documentary https://archive.org/details/toplap-documentary

by simonw 1y ago

Sammi 1y ago

Such a good example of why everything is becoming js. Because it's where the users are. Anything that isn't in js will just languish comparatively. Everything is becoming js because everything is becoming js.

tormeh 1y ago
Have you taken a look at how to install the Haskell variant? It's a full-on recipe, or a docker container. I'd take a desktop application over a website any day, but that was not on the menu. It was an SPA vs a devops exercise. Of course the SPA wins.
- Sammi 1y ago
  Yes. The web wins on deployment every time.
  - nightski 1y ago
    Steam wins for games imho.
venturecruelty 1y ago
Tidal Cycles is hardly languishing. Not everything needs a billion users and VC funding.
nolroz 1y ago
... And js is everywhere
thoughtpalette 1y ago
"...because everything runs js*" Javascript runs on ~70% of all devices worldwide.

pragma_x 1y ago

IIRC, that team are also (now) live-music-coding veterans, which in turn has informed how Strudel is built. It's not just a project that does stuff, it's a pretty well crafted instrument that is ideal for these performances. As an engineer, I love letting the requirements shape the solution, but this is just on a whole other level.

hecanjog 1y ago

The toplap wiki has some more history about the community too: https://toplap.org/wiki/HistoricalPerformances https://toplap.org/wiki/HistoricalPerformances Edit: oh right! Also the toplap documentary from 2005 has some actual video of early live coding performances from this community. https://archive.org/details/toplap-documentary https://archive.org/details/toplap-documentary