4 ms·

So dark patterns to increase peer pressure and hard vendor lock in work then: exploiting networking effects and social pressure like green vs. blue bubbles, tec

by gmueckl 11mo ago

So dark patterns to increase peer pressure and hard vendor lock in work then: exploiting networking effects and social pressure like green vs. blue bubbles, technically unnecessary hard requirements for other devices that are locked into the same garden prison, random compatibility restrictions/omissions in built in apps etc. Apple really is far from innocent. They just pull their customers over the table in such a smooth way that it feels like nest warmth to them.

throwfaraway4 11mo ago
Or maybe they make better phones?
- giancarlostoro 11mo ago
  I got tired of Android after 9 years of being Android only. I just wanted a phone that worked. Apple made said phone. Android feels like your younger cousin's sketchy Windows computer. I remember changing from like 2 different Android phones over a period of 4 years or so, and my amazing megapixel photos looked nowhere near as good as my cousins 5-year-old iPhone photos.
  - drchickensalad 11mo ago
    My iPhone friends literally grab my s24 ultra camera when we take pictures at cocktail bars and tell me to send them the picture
    - giancarlostoro 11mo ago
      The only time my wife has been jealous of someone elses photos was when my mother in law got a new iPhone and we were five years into ours, far longer than I ever held on an Android phone for.
  - check1234123 11mo ago
    I switched to IPhone 13 pro 3.5 years ago and I have the completely opposite experience. It doesn’t “just work”. - Swipe typing is so horrible I had to disable it. - Notifications are extremely large and you have less control over what type of notifications you want to receive. - You can’t transfer files by simply connecting your phone to a PC. - Videos played in Safari don’t automatically rotate to landscape mode (nor there is a button to quickly do this) unless you disable portrait lock from control center. If you lock this again hoping it will stay in landscape it will switch back to portrait mode. - You can’t set alarm on a certain date. - You can only snooze the alarm for 9 minutes (I think you can configure this in iOS26, but this was unacceptable even 5 years ago) - Apps get killed or stopped in background extremely frequently which means that if you have some long running task you need to keep the app open. - Hotspot automatically disconnects even with a Macbook (Windows/Linux is much worse). I used to live without home internet relying on hotspot feature. IPhone hotspot proved to be extremely unreliable. This is not even mentioning more technical things like sideloading, torrent client etc.
    - giancarlostoro 11mo ago
      > - You can’t set alarm on a certain date. I have some alarms for specific dates, do you mean a single use alarm? > - You can only snooze the alarm for 9 minutes (I think you can configure this in iOS26, but this was unacceptable even 5 years ago) To this day I miss one alarm that LG phones had where it would make me do more work to even dismiss it, on purpose, because I am known to just turn it off and keep sleeping. > - Hotspot automatically disconnects even with a Macbook (Windows/Linux is much worse). I used to live without home internet relying on hotspot feature. IPhone hotspot proved to be extremely unreliable. I have not had this issue, though I did have the issue of not realizing that since I had bought my phone through Apple instead of through T-Mobile my data / hotspot plan was not the right one, I realized this after I left T-Mobile for Mint, but I rarely if ever use hotspot. > - Swipe typing is so horrible I had to disable it. I had the 12 Pro and now the 17 Pro, I rarely do swipe typing, voice to text is slightly more annoying, I would hope that in this world of AI that Apple would improve their voice to text, it just doesn't hear me at all half of the time. > - You can’t transfer files by simply connecting your phone to a PC. Apple has always been all about being on Apple, so yeah, though I have gotten my Linux to mount files from the iPhone before, doesn't look pretty at all mind you, but I can take a rough but full snapshot of all my images on my phone..
- gmueckl 11mo ago
  Not really? All Samsung phones that we owned were at least as good - with the exception of a phone that we bought from a US carrier. The carrier mods on that one phone were total shit. But these modifications are entirely avoidable by buying an unlocked phone.
baiwl 11mo ago
No, it's just that Samsung phones suck.
dialup_sounds 11mo ago
Weird take. Android is still ~80% of the market.
- tooltalk 11mo ago
  very weird indeed. Apple has ~20% of the global smartphone sales, but 80% of global industry profit. pareto?
  - makeitdouble 11mo ago
    > 80% of global industry profit. Are you thinking about the "services", aka mostly mobile casinos ? I never saw a figure of Apple making 80% of profit on the devices, I'd love to see where you get the number from.
    - tooltalk 11mo ago
      No services. Or profit margin. Apple is the most profitable company in the smartphone business and, while their "unit sales" or market share accounts for only about 20%, Apple's share of the smartphone industry's profit is about 80+%.
      - makeitdouble 11mo ago
        If what you mean by "smartphone business" is neither unit sales nor services, I'd really need you to point at some specific report to understand what we're talking about.
        hurfdurf 11mo ago
        >The Cupertino, California-based tech giant collected 85% of operating profit and 48% of revenue from smartphone sales over the course of the year. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-03/iphone-grabs-record-smartphone-profit-share-of-85-for-apple https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-03/iphone-gr... >However, it outperformed a struggling smartphone market in terms of shipment, revenue and operating profit growth, in turn achieving its highest-ever shares of 18%, 48% and 85% in these metrics respectively, in 2022. https://counterpointresearch.com/en/insights/2022-global-smartphone-shipments-lowest-since-2013-apple-regained-no-1-rank-highest-ever-operating-profit-share-85 https://counterpointresearch.com/en/insights/2022-global-sma... Almost three year old numbers, but not all that much should have changed since then.

by gmueckl 11mo ago

throwfaraway4 11mo ago

Or maybe they make better phones?

giancarlostoro 11mo ago
I got tired of Android after 9 years of being Android only. I just wanted a phone that worked. Apple made said phone. Android feels like your younger cousin's sketchy Windows computer. I remember changing from like 2 different Android phones over a period of 4 years or so, and my amazing megapixel photos looked nowhere near as good as my cousins 5-year-old iPhone photos.
- drchickensalad 11mo ago
  My iPhone friends literally grab my s24 ultra camera when we take pictures at cocktail bars and tell me to send them the picture
  - giancarlostoro 11mo ago
    The only time my wife has been jealous of someone elses photos was when my mother in law got a new iPhone and we were five years into ours, far longer than I ever held on an Android phone for.
- check1234123 11mo ago
  I switched to IPhone 13 pro 3.5 years ago and I have the completely opposite experience. It doesn’t “just work”. - Swipe typing is so horrible I had to disable it. - Notifications are extremely large and you have less control over what type of notifications you want to receive. - You can’t transfer files by simply connecting your phone to a PC. - Videos played in Safari don’t automatically rotate to landscape mode (nor there is a button to quickly do this) unless you disable portrait lock from control center. If you lock this again hoping it will stay in landscape it will switch back to portrait mode. - You can’t set alarm on a certain date. - You can only snooze the alarm for 9 minutes (I think you can configure this in iOS26, but this was unacceptable even 5 years ago) - Apps get killed or stopped in background extremely frequently which means that if you have some long running task you need to keep the app open. - Hotspot automatically disconnects even with a Macbook (Windows/Linux is much worse). I used to live without home internet relying on hotspot feature. IPhone hotspot proved to be extremely unreliable. This is not even mentioning more technical things like sideloading, torrent client etc.
  - giancarlostoro 11mo ago
    > - You can’t set alarm on a certain date. I have some alarms for specific dates, do you mean a single use alarm? > - You can only snooze the alarm for 9 minutes (I think you can configure this in iOS26, but this was unacceptable even 5 years ago) To this day I miss one alarm that LG phones had where it would make me do more work to even dismiss it, on purpose, because I am known to just turn it off and keep sleeping. > - Hotspot automatically disconnects even with a Macbook (Windows/Linux is much worse). I used to live without home internet relying on hotspot feature. IPhone hotspot proved to be extremely unreliable. I have not had this issue, though I did have the issue of not realizing that since I had bought my phone through Apple instead of through T-Mobile my data / hotspot plan was not the right one, I realized this after I left T-Mobile for Mint, but I rarely if ever use hotspot. > - Swipe typing is so horrible I had to disable it. I had the 12 Pro and now the 17 Pro, I rarely do swipe typing, voice to text is slightly more annoying, I would hope that in this world of AI that Apple would improve their voice to text, it just doesn't hear me at all half of the time. > - You can’t transfer files by simply connecting your phone to a PC. Apple has always been all about being on Apple, so yeah, though I have gotten my Linux to mount files from the iPhone before, doesn't look pretty at all mind you, but I can take a rough but full snapshot of all my images on my phone..
gmueckl 11mo ago
Not really? All Samsung phones that we owned were at least as good - with the exception of a phone that we bought from a US carrier. The carrier mods on that one phone were total shit. But these modifications are entirely avoidable by buying an unlocked phone.

baiwl 11mo ago

No, it's just that Samsung phones suck.

dialup_sounds 11mo ago

Weird take. Android is still ~80% of the market.

tooltalk 11mo ago
very weird indeed. Apple has ~20% of the global smartphone sales, but 80% of global industry profit. pareto?
- makeitdouble 11mo ago
  > 80% of global industry profit. Are you thinking about the "services", aka mostly mobile casinos ? I never saw a figure of Apple making 80% of profit on the devices, I'd love to see where you get the number from.
  - tooltalk 11mo ago
    No services. Or profit margin. Apple is the most profitable company in the smartphone business and, while their "unit sales" or market share accounts for only about 20%, Apple's share of the smartphone industry's profit is about 80+%.
    - makeitdouble 11mo ago
      If what you mean by "smartphone business" is neither unit sales nor services, I'd really need you to point at some specific report to understand what we're talking about.
      - hurfdurf 11mo ago
        >The Cupertino, California-based tech giant collected 85% of operating profit and 48% of revenue from smartphone sales over the course of the year. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-03/iphone-grabs-record-smartphone-profit-share-of-85-for-apple https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-03/iphone-gr... >However, it outperformed a struggling smartphone market in terms of shipment, revenue and operating profit growth, in turn achieving its highest-ever shares of 18%, 48% and 85% in these metrics respectively, in 2022. https://counterpointresearch.com/en/insights/2022-global-smartphone-shipments-lowest-since-2013-apple-regained-no-1-rank-highest-ever-operating-profit-share-85 https://counterpointresearch.com/en/insights/2022-global-sma... Almost three year old numbers, but not all that much should have changed since then.