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Nice "both sides" argument, very subtle.
by danudey 11mo ago
Nice "both sides" argument, very subtle.
- qwerpy 11mo agoWhen one side of crazies goes after a different side of crazies, “both sides are crazy” is an appropriate way to look at it.
- micromacrofoot 11mo agoI guess if you want to completely abandon nuance... but at that point everyone is some variety of crazy. Half the US believes in ghosts.
- numbers_guy 11mo agoThere is obviously a huge difference between fascist-aspiring westerners and communist-aspiring westerners. It's disingenuous to pretend otherwise. Tankies are crazy and I don't approve of their ideology, but they also do not dehumanize large swaths of the population.
- lowkey_ 11mo ago> they also do not dehumanize large swaths of the population They dehumanize and kill everyone equally. I think the West (US especially) has a great system of government figured out, and I wouldn't try to say any group attempting to break that is better than another. It's not disingenuous to say that both are authoritarians who kill millions.
- numbers_guy 11mo agoPlease don't be childish. I have no love for communism and I get that you probably have some personal grudge against communism because of what your family has gone through. But the way you are expressing your hatred of communism is diminishing the evil committed by the NAZIs and the suffering of their victims, and that's just not right. And it's also not winning you any friends and you'd be better served if you showed solidarity with victims of other evil regimes, instead of trying to up them with your personal victim-hood.
- lowkey_ 11mo agoThe above commenter's point was actually drawing a distinction between these, and "one-upping" by saying there was a difference, or worse one, out of these extremist ideologies. I disagreed and said that they are both equally horrid. Expressing equal hatred for people and systems that kill countless millions through starvation, gulags/concentration camps, and disappearing them, is not childish. I have a ton of solidarity with victims of other evil regimes.
- numbers_guy 11mo agoYou're purposefully ignoring all the nuance. There is nothing more to say.
- antonymoose 11mo agoSometimes both sides do suck.
- lm28469 11mo agoOne side is metastasising in the US government right now, the other has been long dead. "it's the same because they're both bad" ok...
- philipallstar 11mo agoIt's not been long dead. There's a communist who's just been elected to Mayer of New York.
- dpark 11mo agoHe’s a socialist. Painting all socialism as “evil communism” is reductive and dishonest.
- lowkey_ 11mo agoMamdani has said that (1) they'll open government-run stores, and (2) the government will seize buildings from bad landlords. My family is from a communist country and I can assure you, that is communistic.
- dpark 11mo agoI would agree that government run stores falls into the communist playbook. Despite the communism boogie man, though, I don’t think supporting a couple of communist policies strictly makes a person a communist. Trump sent a bunch of government checks to people during Covid and no one called him communist for this.
- philipallstar 11mo ago> Trump sent a bunch of government checks to people during Covid and no one called him communist for this. Giving people money on a temporary basis is the opposite of the government opportunistically taking over areas of the market.
- poszlem 11mo agoIt’s intentionally blunt. That’s exactly the issue right now: fascists and communists are going at each other and tearing apart what remains of our liberal world.
- fukukitaru 11mo agoIt's not particularly worth saving
- poszlem 11mo agoI guess we have to learn every 80-100 years, that, actually it is.
- almosthere 11mo agoI think "facists" is a tiring word to describe them. I would recommend christian nationalists.
- poszlem 11mo agoI mean - obviously the modern day communists rarely use the original name too. But I guess we are adults and know that in reality, under all of that political marketing, we are talking about fascists and communists.
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- numbers_guy 11mo ago"Christian nationalist" is a term that on the one hand, insults Christians, and on the other hand flatters these power hungry grifters. Why would you use such a term?
- numbers_guy 11mo ago> and communists Communists left the chat in 1989, grandpa. There are multiple factions competing for power but communists aren't really in the ring right now. It's mostly different flavours of establishment factions and alt-right factions.