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Power states are completely broken. Laptop will randomly turn on when it's in my bag and rev up to ten thousand degrees. If it was in sleep - Dell themselves r

Power states are completely broken. Laptop will randomly turn on when it's in my bag and rev up to ten thousand degrees. If it was in sleep - Dell themselves recommend completely switching off a laptop before putting it inside a backpack: https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/xps/faq-modern-standby/647fa2d5f4ccf8a8de87e727 https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/xps/faq-mode... For somebody who has used MacBooks the last 18 years, this is insane.

speedgoose 11mo ago
The laptops waking up in the backpack until the thermal security triggers or the battery is empty is a Microsoft Windows thing.
- freehorse 11mo ago
  Ime turning windows laptops off is really hard. You tell them to shutdown and they restart for some reason, and it does not seem to be update related because it happens with laptops completely offline too. So you may think that you have shut them down, close the lid, but actually they reboot and when you get to them again they are dead. This happens with some dell laptops but I do not think it is just them. Not all the time but very randomly.
  - baiwl 11mo ago
    To shut Windows down, press Win+R to see the Run dialog and then type shutdown /s /t 0
  - vitaliyf 11mo ago
    Apparently "update and shutdown does a restart instead" was very recently finally fixed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45797934 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45797934
  - tmerc 11mo ago
    I haven't found a way to tell Windows 10 to hibernate other than making that the power button action in power options. Maybe because it's a laptop but it starts immediately after hibernating and your have to hold the power button to fully turn it off. This works and skips any forced updates Windows wants to do. It is very janky and I think ms does it to make skipping updates harder.
- olejorgenb 11mo ago
  Not really - my Dell Precision (Ubuntu Certified even) frequently have problems going to sleep. To be fair - technically it doesn't wake up in the backpack - it fails to sleep in the first place. But if you don't pay attention you wont notice the failure so I'd say that's very close to just as bad.
- trashface 11mo ago
  I've seen it on my system 76 (clevo) laptop from 2019 on linux, and on windows on the same hardware. I think its a firmware power state design bug. I have a lenovo from 2012 that never had this problem.
  - red-iron-pine 11mo ago
    same manufacturer and vintage (maybe 2020?), and same problem.
adrian_b 11mo ago
I have never understood why some people want to avoid switching off their computers. I have stopped using Apple laptops more than 15 years ago and since then I have used only Linux laptops. I have no idea whether hibernate worked on my laptops, because this is a feature for which I have never felt any need. I always take care to optimize the boot time on my computers with custom built kernels and carefully selected daemons (and I do not use systemd). For decades, the boot time on my laptops had been of perhaps twenty seconds at most and the biggest delay in starting to use the computers after being powered off is entering a password to unlock them, not the start-up of the OS. Using something like hibernation instead of complete power off would speed up negligibly the process of beginning to work on the computer.
- eckelhesten 11mo ago
  Pop open the lid, be right back to where you were. No amount of boot time optimizations will trump that.
  - nrhrjrjrjtntbt 11mo ago
    The desk to meeting room use case. Dont know how we survived pre laptop but somehow we did. Meeting room had its own PC I think back then.
    - dcminter 11mo ago
      Meetings didn't generally require computers back then. We're talking about The Overhead Projector transparencies era.
    - mattmanser 11mo ago
      Yeah, you'd log on with your credentials and then get the files you needed from the network share.
- edgineer 11mo ago
  Sleep is just different from shut down. With an unplugged laptop, after an idle period or by shutting the lid, I'd like the machine to save energy. I haven't always taken the steps to prepare for a shut down, saving open documents. I wouldn't like to wake back up an idle machine to see that my programs had all been closed. And sometimes I'd like to quickly put a laptop into a bag without waking it up just to shut it down first. If I had a way to transition from sleep to shut down I'd use it, but also... this is where I see that if the sleep state were more perfect (used zero energy, zero unintended wakeups), it would obviate my need to shut down most of the time.
throwaway808081 11mo ago
It's all about trade-offs really. In this case, a laptop sometimes waking up in a bag vs a constantly and deliberately cripled GUI and keyboard.

speedgoose 11mo ago

The laptops waking up in the backpack until the thermal security triggers or the battery is empty is a Microsoft Windows thing.

freehorse 11mo ago
Ime turning windows laptops off is really hard. You tell them to shutdown and they restart for some reason, and it does not seem to be update related because it happens with laptops completely offline too. So you may think that you have shut them down, close the lid, but actually they reboot and when you get to them again they are dead. This happens with some dell laptops but I do not think it is just them. Not all the time but very randomly.
- baiwl 11mo ago
  To shut Windows down, press Win+R to see the Run dialog and then type shutdown /s /t 0
- vitaliyf 11mo ago
  Apparently "update and shutdown does a restart instead" was very recently finally fixed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45797934 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45797934
- tmerc 11mo ago
  I haven't found a way to tell Windows 10 to hibernate other than making that the power button action in power options. Maybe because it's a laptop but it starts immediately after hibernating and your have to hold the power button to fully turn it off. This works and skips any forced updates Windows wants to do. It is very janky and I think ms does it to make skipping updates harder.
olejorgenb 11mo ago
Not really - my Dell Precision (Ubuntu Certified even) frequently have problems going to sleep. To be fair - technically it doesn't wake up in the backpack - it fails to sleep in the first place. But if you don't pay attention you wont notice the failure so I'd say that's very close to just as bad.
trashface 11mo ago
I've seen it on my system 76 (clevo) laptop from 2019 on linux, and on windows on the same hardware. I think its a firmware power state design bug. I have a lenovo from 2012 that never had this problem.
- red-iron-pine 11mo ago
  same manufacturer and vintage (maybe 2020?), and same problem.

adrian_b 11mo ago

I have never understood why some people want to avoid switching off their computers. I have stopped using Apple laptops more than 15 years ago and since then I have used only Linux laptops. I have no idea whether hibernate worked on my laptops, because this is a feature for which I have never felt any need. I always take care to optimize the boot time on my computers with custom built kernels and carefully selected daemons (and I do not use systemd). For decades, the boot time on my laptops had been of perhaps twenty seconds at most and the biggest delay in starting to use the computers after being powered off is entering a password to unlock them, not the start-up of the OS. Using something like hibernation instead of complete power off would speed up negligibly the process of beginning to work on the computer.

eckelhesten 11mo ago
Pop open the lid, be right back to where you were. No amount of boot time optimizations will trump that.
- nrhrjrjrjtntbt 11mo ago
  The desk to meeting room use case. Dont know how we survived pre laptop but somehow we did. Meeting room had its own PC I think back then.
  - dcminter 11mo ago
    Meetings didn't generally require computers back then. We're talking about The Overhead Projector transparencies era.
  - mattmanser 11mo ago
    Yeah, you'd log on with your credentials and then get the files you needed from the network share.
edgineer 11mo ago
Sleep is just different from shut down. With an unplugged laptop, after an idle period or by shutting the lid, I'd like the machine to save energy. I haven't always taken the steps to prepare for a shut down, saving open documents. I wouldn't like to wake back up an idle machine to see that my programs had all been closed. And sometimes I'd like to quickly put a laptop into a bag without waking it up just to shut it down first. If I had a way to transition from sleep to shut down I'd use it, but also... this is where I see that if the sleep state were more perfect (used zero energy, zero unintended wakeups), it would obviate my need to shut down most of the time.

throwaway808081 11mo ago

It's all about trade-offs really. In this case, a laptop sometimes waking up in a bag vs a constantly and deliberately cripled GUI and keyboard.