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A framework laptop is very nice, and definitely has a lot of upsides, but it can't match screen, keyboard, trackpad, camera, or speaker quality with a MacBook P

by ghqst 10mo ago

A framework laptop is very nice, and definitely has a lot of upsides, but it can't match screen, keyboard, trackpad, camera, or speaker quality with a MacBook Pro, not to mention the battery life.

linguae 10mo ago
I concur. I have a Framework 13 I use as my personal laptop and a work-issued M3 MacBook Pro. While I love the freedom that my Framework 13 provides in terms of user serviceability and operating system choice, the MacBook Pro feels more premium, and it has absolutely amazing battery life.
akho 10mo ago
Those may be nice for people who need them, and are ok with the software side. for me, the screen on the framework is ok. I think there's little to gain with LCDs at this point. The trackpad on the framework is smaller, so it's better. A nicer camera requires a nicer piece of tape to cover it, I guess. Notification beeps do not require Atmos or whatever. I can pack a powerbank for trans-oceanic flights, but I'm usually at a desk if I work long stretches. Having nicer stuff would be nice, but the value proposition does not work for me in light of the software situation.
- sorcercode 10mo ago
  so 1 - compromised hardware over better software is a trade-off you're willing to make and 2 - you believe that the Framework software experience is better than macOS i can concede 2 (if true, I've not used a Framework laptop) but I don't understand point 1. packing a powerbank for example just feels ancient if you've used the arm chip macs. then again, I'm now pushing my trade-off
  - viraptor 10mo ago
    It's going to be a different experience for everyone. For example I never get why people care about the laptop weight. You put it in your backpack anyway, (unless it's a small handbag sized laptop situation then fair enough) it's not like anything below 5kg will be noticeable in reality. Yet for others is a big deal. Personal preferences...
    - sorcercode 10mo ago
      that's fair. i do think it's personal preferences in the end.
  - akho 10mo ago
    "Packing a powerbank" was more of a hypothetical, as I've never actually had to. My point was that it's a tradeoff between software preference, tech politics, price, and hardware features. I think it's pretty easy to understand. It's not like Apple has an insurmountable lead; there are some benefits for some use cases.
lostmsu 10mo ago
What do people like about MacBook trackpads? I can't stand them because you can only do a "click" action at the bottom of the thing, but there's nothing tactile that would help you to find it.
- hwj 10mo ago
  I enabled the tap (System Settings) so I can "click" everywhere.
- throw-the-towel 10mo ago
  And other laptops that imitate this are even worse. Like, where does the left button end, and right button start?
  - lostmsu 10mo ago
    That's rarely a problem: bottom right corner is right and almost all the rest is left

by ghqst 10mo ago

A framework laptop is very nice, and definitely has a lot of upsides, but it can't match screen, keyboard, trackpad, camera, or speaker quality with a MacBook Pro, not to mention the battery life.

linguae 10mo ago

I concur. I have a Framework 13 I use as my personal laptop and a work-issued M3 MacBook Pro. While I love the freedom that my Framework 13 provides in terms of user serviceability and operating system choice, the MacBook Pro feels more premium, and it has absolutely amazing battery life.

akho 10mo ago

Those may be nice for people who need them, and are ok with the software side. for me, the screen on the framework is ok. I think there's little to gain with LCDs at this point. The trackpad on the framework is smaller, so it's better. A nicer camera requires a nicer piece of tape to cover it, I guess. Notification beeps do not require Atmos or whatever. I can pack a powerbank for trans-oceanic flights, but I'm usually at a desk if I work long stretches. Having nicer stuff would be nice, but the value proposition does not work for me in light of the software situation.

sorcercode 10mo ago
so 1 - compromised hardware over better software is a trade-off you're willing to make and 2 - you believe that the Framework software experience is better than macOS i can concede 2 (if true, I've not used a Framework laptop) but I don't understand point 1. packing a powerbank for example just feels ancient if you've used the arm chip macs. then again, I'm now pushing my trade-off
- viraptor 10mo ago
  It's going to be a different experience for everyone. For example I never get why people care about the laptop weight. You put it in your backpack anyway, (unless it's a small handbag sized laptop situation then fair enough) it's not like anything below 5kg will be noticeable in reality. Yet for others is a big deal. Personal preferences...
  - sorcercode 10mo ago
    that's fair. i do think it's personal preferences in the end.
- akho 10mo ago
  "Packing a powerbank" was more of a hypothetical, as I've never actually had to. My point was that it's a tradeoff between software preference, tech politics, price, and hardware features. I think it's pretty easy to understand. It's not like Apple has an insurmountable lead; there are some benefits for some use cases.

lostmsu 10mo ago

What do people like about MacBook trackpads? I can't stand them because you can only do a "click" action at the bottom of the thing, but there's nothing tactile that would help you to find it.

hwj 10mo ago
I enabled the tap (System Settings) so I can "click" everywhere.
throw-the-towel 10mo ago
And other laptops that imitate this are even worse. Like, where does the left button end, and right button start?
- lostmsu 10mo ago
  That's rarely a problem: bottom right corner is right and almost all the rest is left