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> It started with the macOS that brought the iOS settings panel. The ridiculous thing is that Microsoft already made approximately this mistake with the Window

by amluto 11mo ago

> It started with the macOS that brought the iOS settings panel. The ridiculous thing is that Microsoft already made approximately this mistake with the Windows 8 “PC Settings” disaster.

perryizgr8 11mo ago
Even more ridiculous that the same mistake continues in Windows 11 today!
- int_19h 11mo ago
  The fact that neither desktop OS seems to be capable of doing settings right is a damning indictment of the general state of UX across the board.
  - bentcorner 11mo ago
    Windows went through a pendulum swing of integrating touch (I think they ended up in a place where they expect users to use more of a multi-modal approach instead of touch-only). I suspect Mac is going through the same thing right now as ipad is "growing up" and they're trying to reconcile all their UI. I'm a little surprised that Macs have never introduced touch.
  - pjmlp 11mo ago
    Worse, it shows how badly staffed the companies are, with a management that doesn't care about their staff skills. From experience, I bet Apple and Microsoft have offshored all their desktop teams.
abhinavk 11mo ago
It's still in process. Today's update (KB5070311) added the following: > Keyboard settings for "character repeat delay and rate", and "cursor blink rate", have moved from Control Panel to Settings.
- do_not_redeem 11mo ago
  To be fair, Windows 8 only came out in 2012, so they haven't had that much time to finish the settings migration. But they're making good progress. If they keep up this pace of moving 2 settings per month, they should be able to finish by 2053.
  - pjmlp 11mo ago
    Given how bad Project Reunion went, that is being too positive.
- jajuuka 11mo ago
  If the goal was to move everything to Settings, sure. But Settings seems to be for the most common settings the average user will want to look at whereas more detailed options are elsewhere. It's a way to easily funnel users away from more impactful settings to system stability. In this view Windows 11 release solidified that pretty well. The character repeat and cursor blink rate settings were already in Settings but it just opened up the older windows forms. This just gives them a new coat of paint by putting them in the Settings app.

by amluto 11mo ago

> It started with the macOS that brought the iOS settings panel. The ridiculous thing is that Microsoft already made approximately this mistake with the Windows 8 “PC Settings” disaster.

perryizgr8 11mo ago

Even more ridiculous that the same mistake continues in Windows 11 today!

int_19h 11mo ago
The fact that neither desktop OS seems to be capable of doing settings right is a damning indictment of the general state of UX across the board.
- bentcorner 11mo ago
  Windows went through a pendulum swing of integrating touch (I think they ended up in a place where they expect users to use more of a multi-modal approach instead of touch-only). I suspect Mac is going through the same thing right now as ipad is "growing up" and they're trying to reconcile all their UI. I'm a little surprised that Macs have never introduced touch.
- pjmlp 11mo ago
  Worse, it shows how badly staffed the companies are, with a management that doesn't care about their staff skills. From experience, I bet Apple and Microsoft have offshored all their desktop teams.

abhinavk 11mo ago

It's still in process. Today's update (KB5070311) added the following: > Keyboard settings for "character repeat delay and rate", and "cursor blink rate", have moved from Control Panel to Settings.

do_not_redeem 11mo ago
To be fair, Windows 8 only came out in 2012, so they haven't had that much time to finish the settings migration. But they're making good progress. If they keep up this pace of moving 2 settings per month, they should be able to finish by 2053.
- pjmlp 11mo ago
  Given how bad Project Reunion went, that is being too positive.
jajuuka 11mo ago
If the goal was to move everything to Settings, sure. But Settings seems to be for the most common settings the average user will want to look at whereas more detailed options are elsewhere. It's a way to easily funnel users away from more impactful settings to system stability. In this view Windows 11 release solidified that pretty well. The character repeat and cursor blink rate settings were already in Settings but it just opened up the older windows forms. This just gives them a new coat of paint by putting them in the Settings app.