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> improved education and targeted campaigns against common security pitfalls Good one. Do you see how dumb the average consumer is? They don't know or care eve

> improved education and targeted campaigns against common security pitfalls Good one. Do you see how dumb the average consumer is? They don't know or care even if you try to educate them.

dingnuts 11mo ago
I shouldn't have to accept government surveillance just because 15% of the population is functionally illiterate. We should have support structures for those people as a society, but "dumb people exist" is a fucking horrible argument for why I should have my freedom restricted
- chasil 11mo ago
  You don't have to. This is the most secure option: https://grapheneos.org/ https://grapheneos.org/ This is more flexible and will give you root, at the cost of an unlocked bootloader: https://lineageos.org/ https://lineageos.org/
- satvikpendem 11mo ago
  You shouldn't, I agree with you, but what's the solution that works for everyone, not just the tech literate?
  - bfg_9k 11mo ago
    There doesn't need to be a solution that works for everyone. It doesn't matter how many barriers you put in place, people will always get scammed - so don't punish the other capable 85%.
    - satvikpendem 11mo ago
      You mean the capable 15%, not 85% as again users are dumb. That's why governments will always cater to the majority.
    - aydyn 11mo ago
      You do in fact need a system that works for the vast majority. If your system flat out doesnt work for 15% of the population, you'd have mass riots and unrest.
throwawayqqq11 11mo ago
Considering that AI companies are strategically/financially in the same position as other market cornering companies like uber, imagine how much dumber things can get.
vlovich123 11mo ago
Maybe but there’s a fair amount of corruption going on in India. For example, they got caught spraying water near air quality monitors (at them?) to make the data seem better than it is instead of actually tackling the problem.
- satvikpendem 11mo ago
  That's sadly how the culture is in India. I wish it improved to be more like Japan or China but I'm not sure how one can solve this sort of issue.
  - DeepSeaTortoise 11mo ago
    Require all people who received higher education to work for their country first for 15 to 20 years. There's no point in being able to buy an outrageously fancy toilet with remittances if there's no sewer to hook it up to.
    - dotnet00 11mo ago
      That would be a great way to make the brain drain even worse.
    - matt_heimer 11mo ago
      That would discourage higher education, you are basically punishing people for it. Try giving free education to all government employees instead.
      - DeepSeaTortoise 11mo ago
        Discouraging higher education, IMO, isn't a bad thing. Academia is too much of a walled garden that is too easy to enter. This resulted in higher ed becoming a defacto requirement for many professions that could have been open to professionally trained or experienced people. Employers need to draw their baseline requirements somewhere and if expensive credentials are too ubiquitous, it's understandable they rather select from those who achieved them than from those who didn't (or couldn't afford to). And it's frankly disgusting how many doors remain closed to yourself unless you got access to an .edu email. More people with academic interests not having acquired one might open the door to many more who discovered their academic interests later in life but can no longer find a way to enter that garden.
thisisit 11mo ago
Same dumbness applies to people who are supposed to enforce these laws. Enforcement authorities will often tell you to settle privately - “just return the money and ask your victim to rescind the case”. They don’t care for average consumer.
- ponector 11mo ago
  Are they incentivized to care? Are they paid well? Usually for police it is much better to not register the case and push victim to settle privately. If they register they got more work and worse statistics.
bigyabai 11mo ago
It's articles like these that make me comfortable saying you are part of the problem. Your materialist fear of losing a wholly replaceable phone is manufacturing consent for disaster.

> improved education and targeted campaigns against common security pitfalls Good one. Do you see how dumb the average consumer is? They don't know or care even if you try to educate them.

dingnuts 11mo ago

I shouldn't have to accept government surveillance just because 15% of the population is functionally illiterate. We should have support structures for those people as a society, but "dumb people exist" is a fucking horrible argument for why I should have my freedom restricted

chasil 11mo ago
You don't have to. This is the most secure option: https://grapheneos.org/ https://grapheneos.org/ This is more flexible and will give you root, at the cost of an unlocked bootloader: https://lineageos.org/ https://lineageos.org/
satvikpendem 11mo ago
You shouldn't, I agree with you, but what's the solution that works for everyone, not just the tech literate?
- bfg_9k 11mo ago
  There doesn't need to be a solution that works for everyone. It doesn't matter how many barriers you put in place, people will always get scammed - so don't punish the other capable 85%.
  - satvikpendem 11mo ago
    You mean the capable 15%, not 85% as again users are dumb. That's why governments will always cater to the majority.
  - aydyn 11mo ago
    You do in fact need a system that works for the vast majority. If your system flat out doesnt work for 15% of the population, you'd have mass riots and unrest.

throwawayqqq11 11mo ago

Considering that AI companies are strategically/financially in the same position as other market cornering companies like uber, imagine how much dumber things can get.

vlovich123 11mo ago

Maybe but there’s a fair amount of corruption going on in India. For example, they got caught spraying water near air quality monitors (at them?) to make the data seem better than it is instead of actually tackling the problem.

satvikpendem 11mo ago
That's sadly how the culture is in India. I wish it improved to be more like Japan or China but I'm not sure how one can solve this sort of issue.
- DeepSeaTortoise 11mo ago
  Require all people who received higher education to work for their country first for 15 to 20 years. There's no point in being able to buy an outrageously fancy toilet with remittances if there's no sewer to hook it up to.
  - dotnet00 11mo ago
    That would be a great way to make the brain drain even worse.
  - matt_heimer 11mo ago
    That would discourage higher education, you are basically punishing people for it. Try giving free education to all government employees instead.
    - DeepSeaTortoise 11mo ago
      Discouraging higher education, IMO, isn't a bad thing. Academia is too much of a walled garden that is too easy to enter. This resulted in higher ed becoming a defacto requirement for many professions that could have been open to professionally trained or experienced people. Employers need to draw their baseline requirements somewhere and if expensive credentials are too ubiquitous, it's understandable they rather select from those who achieved them than from those who didn't (or couldn't afford to). And it's frankly disgusting how many doors remain closed to yourself unless you got access to an .edu email. More people with academic interests not having acquired one might open the door to many more who discovered their academic interests later in life but can no longer find a way to enter that garden.

thisisit 11mo ago

Same dumbness applies to people who are supposed to enforce these laws. Enforcement authorities will often tell you to settle privately - “just return the money and ask your victim to rescind the case”. They don’t care for average consumer.

ponector 11mo ago
Are they incentivized to care? Are they paid well? Usually for police it is much better to not register the case and push victim to settle privately. If they register they got more work and worse statistics.

bigyabai 11mo ago

It's articles like these that make me comfortable saying you are part of the problem. Your materialist fear of losing a wholly replaceable phone is manufacturing consent for disaster.