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That was Mozilla's stance. Google was thoroughly hostile towards it. They closed the original issue citing a lack of interest among users, despite the users the
by goku12 11mo ago
That was Mozilla's stance. Google was thoroughly hostile towards it. They closed the original issue citing a lack of interest among users, despite the users themselves complaining loudly against it. The only thing I'm not sure about is why they decided to reopen it. They may have decided that they didn't need this much bad PR. Or someone inside may have been annoyed by it just as much as we are.
PS: I'm a bit too sleepy to search for the original discussion. Apologies for not linking it here.
- ksec 11mo agoIt wasn't just a blatant lie for lack of interest, they also went out their way to benchmark it and somehow present it as inferior to AVIF.
- aidenn0 11mo agoIIRC they benchmarked it as "not much better" than AVIF, not inferior.
- drysart 11mo ago> The only thing I'm not sure about is why they decided to reopen it. It's almost certainly due to the PDF Association adding JPEG XL as a supported image format to the ISO standard for PDFs; considering Google's 180 on JPEG XL support came just a few days after the PDF Association's announcement.
- thayne 11mo agoThat would make sense, since they would then need support for JXL for the embedded PDF viewer anyway. Unless they want it to choke on valid PDFs that include JXL images.
- goku12 11mo agoI see! Thanks for pointing out this very interesting correlation. So we got something better only because someone else equally influential forced their hand. Otherwise the users be damned, for all they care, it seems.
- greenavocado 11mo agoI have been relentlessly shilling JPEG-XL's technological superiority especially against their joke of an alternative and a stain on the Internet they call WebP https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/1b30f8h/image_formats_benchmarks_after_jpeg_xl_010_update/ https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/1b30f8h/image_... https://youtu.be/w7UDJUCMTng https://youtu.be/w7UDJUCMTng
- alphatodder 11mo agoSome of the same people developed both. Pretty sure Jyrki Alakuijala for example led the development of lossless mode for both WebP and JPEG-XL.
- JyrkiAlakuijala 11mo agoThank you! I designed WebP lossless alone. The rest of the WebP folks added a RIFF header and an artificial size limitation (16383x16383) to match with the size limitation of lossy WebP. In JPEG XL I believe I had more influence on the lossy ("VarDCT") format than anyone else, but stayed relatively far from the lossless part (except the delta palette, two predictors, 2d lz-codes, and a few other smaller things). I believe Jon and Luca had most influence there.