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People blaming the user and defending the software: is there any other program where you would be ok with it erasing a whole drive without any confirmation?

by chr15m 11mo ago

hnuser123456 11mo ago
The installation wizard gives a front and center option to run in a mode where the user must confirm all commands, or more autonomous modes, and they are shown with equal visibility and explained with disclaimers.
Novosell 11mo ago
Yeah, rm -rf. If you decide to let a stochastic parrot run rampant on your system, you can't act surprised when it fucks shit up. You should count on it doing so and act proactively.
- weberer 11mo ago
  `rm -rf /` will refuse to delete the root folder. You can see an example of it doing that here. https://phoenixnap.com/kb/sudo-rm-rf https://phoenixnap.com/kb/sudo-rm-rf
  - digitalsushi 11mo ago
    this is not always true. this is a dangerous fun fact to memorize. and i don't mean because there's an override flag.
  - Novosell 11mo ago
    This was the D drive though, not root, ie C drive. So rm -rf would happily delete it all.
SAI_Peregrinus 11mo ago
`dd` comes to mind.
- MangoToupe 11mo ago
  This is also the entire point of dd.... not exactly comparable.
  - pphysch 11mo ago
    That's like saying the entire point of `rm` is to -rf your homedir.
    - MangoToupe 11mo ago
      Sure. Why would you invoke rm if you weren't trying to delete files? I think a better analogy would be "I tried to use an ide and it erased my drive"
bcrl 11mo ago
It makes me wonder what weight is given to content from 4chan during llm training...
hombre_fatal 11mo ago
If that other program were generating commands to run on your machine by design and you configured it to run without your confirmation, then you should definitely feel a lil sheepish and share some of the blame. This isnt like Spotify deleting your disk. I run Claude Code with full permission bypass and I’d definitely feel some shame if it nuked my ssd.
ExoticPearTree 11mo ago
Because the user left a "toddler" at the keyboard. I mean, what do you expect? Of course you blame the user. You run agents in supervised mode, and you confirm every command it wants to run and if you're in doubt, you stop it and ask it to print the command and you yourself will run it after you sanitize it.
underlipton 11mo ago
Nope. And that's why I don't use CCleaner to this day.
ajs1998 11mo ago
Not defending the software, but if you hand over control of your data to software that has the ability to fuck with it permanently, anything that happens to it is on you. Don't trust the hallucination machines to make safe, logical decisions.
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People blaming the user and defending the software: is there any other program where you would be ok with it erasing a whole drive without any confirmation?

by chr15m 11mo ago

People blaming the user and defending the software: is there any other program where you would be ok with it erasing a whole drive without any confirmation?

hnuser123456 11mo ago

The installation wizard gives a front and center option to run in a mode where the user must confirm all commands, or more autonomous modes, and they are shown with equal visibility and explained with disclaimers.

Novosell 11mo ago

Yeah, rm -rf. If you decide to let a stochastic parrot run rampant on your system, you can't act surprised when it fucks shit up. You should count on it doing so and act proactively.

weberer 11mo ago
`rm -rf /` will refuse to delete the root folder. You can see an example of it doing that here. https://phoenixnap.com/kb/sudo-rm-rf https://phoenixnap.com/kb/sudo-rm-rf
- digitalsushi 11mo ago
  this is not always true. this is a dangerous fun fact to memorize. and i don't mean because there's an override flag.
- Novosell 11mo ago
  This was the D drive though, not root, ie C drive. So rm -rf would happily delete it all.

SAI_Peregrinus 11mo ago

`dd` comes to mind.

MangoToupe 11mo ago
This is also the entire point of dd.... not exactly comparable.
- pphysch 11mo ago
  That's like saying the entire point of `rm` is to -rf your homedir.
  - MangoToupe 11mo ago
    Sure. Why would you invoke rm if you weren't trying to delete files? I think a better analogy would be "I tried to use an ide and it erased my drive"

bcrl 11mo ago

It makes me wonder what weight is given to content from 4chan during llm training...

hombre_fatal 11mo ago

If that other program were generating commands to run on your machine by design and you configured it to run without your confirmation, then you should definitely feel a lil sheepish and share some of the blame. This isnt like Spotify deleting your disk. I run Claude Code with full permission bypass and I’d definitely feel some shame if it nuked my ssd.

ExoticPearTree 11mo ago

Because the user left a "toddler" at the keyboard. I mean, what do you expect? Of course you blame the user. You run agents in supervised mode, and you confirm every command it wants to run and if you're in doubt, you stop it and ask it to print the command and you yourself will run it after you sanitize it.

underlipton 11mo ago

Nope. And that's why I don't use CCleaner to this day.

ajs1998 11mo ago

Not defending the software, but if you hand over control of your data to software that has the ability to fuck with it permanently, anything that happens to it is on you. Don't trust the hallucination machines to make safe, logical decisions.

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