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I'm ordering a new laptop to work on LLM stuff, and while I thought about jumping through the hoops to get Linux running with secure boot... I had a realizatio
by 999900000999 11mo ago
I'm ordering a new laptop to work on LLM stuff, and while I thought about jumping through the hoops to get Linux running with secure boot...
I had a realization, it's a cold day in hell when someone else is going to tell me what I can run on my computer. All the latest multiplayer games are now requiring secure boot on Win11 as well
I'm actually wary of all these anti-cheats, they're literally hyperinvasive maleware.
I don't need gaming that much.
And if I do I'll stream it with Gamepass or another cloud service.
- jmuguy 11mo agoAll I really do on my Windows system is play games, and because of that I don't mind whatever draconian crap that's required to keep cheaters in check. It sucks, but not sure of a better solution.
- gishh 11mo agoJust get a ps5. I went through the same adventure.
- Gracana 11mo agoI did that for years and I recommend it as well. Pure linux desktop + console for games is a nice combo and a good separation of functions. Of course... at this point I am back to having a PC with a beastly GPU and I boot Windows for games and CAD. It is hard to resist high framerate 4k gaming once it becomes a possibility, so now I need to figure out the secure boot problem for the occasional game that requires it.
- limagnolia 11mo agoA PS5 is an even more locked down system! There are vastly more games, many I already own, that work on Linux.
- bigstrat2003 11mo agoI don't personally have a problem with a system being locked down in general. I have a problem with my computer being locked down, or getting rootkits installed on it. So for me at least, playing those games on console is a good solution.
- RestartKernel 11mo agoThat's the seperation of concerns that drives me to a Switch alongside my computer. Though I'm by no means a "serious" gamer by most people's standards.
- em3rgent0rdr 11mo agoI'd much rather invest one powerful machine that cand do work and games instead of two that take up extra space and generate more e-waste.
- ReptileMan 11mo agoI still play on my ps2 ... because consoles are linked closely to the games of that generation I would guess that they are tech that are on relative terms least discarded
- i80and 11mo agoI'm a pretty prolific gamer, but at the start of the year I finally kicked Windows to the curb. It's been fine. Surprisingly few games I'm interested in to begin with have anticheat that doesn't work on Linux, and it's comforting to know games aren't allowed to just shove trash into kernel space at will.
- ecshafer 11mo agoIf you play older games, Linux ironically works better than windows now for stability. The only game I have seen any issues with (note I don't really play multiplayer much) is the Harry Potter game, but proton eventually fixed that.
- 999900000999 11mo agoThe thing is I still need Windows for music production. Linux will never compete here.
- jszymborski 11mo agoThey said this about gaming too... all it takes is Valve-esque sponsor
- iknowstuff 11mo agoIt takes a stable ABI and a single target for apps. Don’t expect music production to ever show up for gnu/linux. Maybe Android
- amanaplanacanal 11mo agoBitwig is available for Linux, but I don't know what the limitations are.
- 999900000999 11mo agoA lot of VSTS aren't going to work even with tricks like WINE. They often have complicated auth systems, etc. I don't really want to learn a new DAW.
- Q6T46nT668w6i3m 11mo agoI was in a similar situation and ended up buying a PS5. It ended up being exactly what I wanted.
- MrDrMcCoy 11mo agoHow's the mouse and keyboard story on PlayStation? The few shooters I play would greatly hinder me if I were stuck on a gamepad.
- Pulcinella 11mo agoPS5 completely supports mouse and keyboard at a hardware level. It's up to the game though if they support it. The new Doom games don't support it on console even though M&KB are obviously supported on Windows for example. Other games do like the Quake 1 & 2 remasters. I think even Monster Hunter Wilds does if you really want to.
- MrDrMcCoy 11mo agoNot being possible for all games is a major detractor for me.
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- grayhatter 11mo ago> I don't need gaming that much. Counter point: gaming is fun, and indy games are worth investing in. Voting with your wallet works better if you vote for behavior that's not user hostile, rather than only abstaining.
- theoldgreybeard 11mo agoLots of games don't need invasive anti-cheat. You can just play those. There are literally too many awesome games on the market to ever be without something great to play.
- moltopoco 11mo agoMany people have one or more Discord groups where someone will say "let's play Valorant tonight" and then everyone just installs it. Linux is fantastic for local gaming on a handheld or in the living room, not so much when your non-Linux friends pick the game.
- weberer 11mo agoJust to be clear, the anti-cheat systems that support Linux run at the user level and don't require secure boot. Those kernel-level and secure boot restrictions only apply to a handful of games, and they all explicitly block Linux users anyway. For example, I've been playing Arc Raiders a lot recently in Linux, and the user-level EAC works just fine.
- theoldgreybeard 11mo agoThe user-level cheats are extremely bad. For example, Elden Ring uses EZ Anti-Cheat and it works on linux and that game is infested with PvP cheaters.
- simoncion 11mo ago> ...Elden Ring uses EZ Anti-Cheat and it works on linux and that game is infested with PvP cheaters. I would question how good Elden Ring's use of EAC actually is. Given that -at launch- * Players who were using a Japanese locale couldn't play the game unless they removed EAC * Removing EAC substantially reduced the amount of incredibly noticeable hitching and stuttering my hunch is that EAC was hastily slapped on very, very late in the process due to demands from some US-based PHB.
- gordonfish 11mo agoI honestly don't understand why any game is even checking if secure boot is enabled. If anything it's for the OS to care about that, not individual programs. Afaik, secure boot doesn't (on it's own) prevent the running of arbitrary software, so how is it actually preventing cheating?
- Mindwipe 11mo agoIt does mean that a signed OS image is running, so demonstrates that the kernel was unaltered at start-up. It also demonstrates further levels of driver signing robustness.
- krelian 11mo agoI'm not really familiar with Secure Boot too much. Researching suggests that users can add their own keys so they are trusted by UEFI. Won't this resolve for linux users that must have secure boot on?
- 999900000999 11mo agoIt's usually a giant pia. Some distros support it, some make it really difficult. I like to distro hop. I'll often have to try two or three to get to a working system.
- arcfour 11mo agoI've had no issues setting it up with Fedora and Ubuntu with kmods/Nvidia drivers. I just say I want it, and I have it. It's really easy now.
- Mindwipe 11mo agoNo, it's not a given that users can add their own keys - certainly in an anticheat scenario they probably couldn't, or at least if they did then key attestation would stop working.
- bigstrat2003 11mo agoWhat irritates me is when games that don't even benefit from anti-cheat require it. Helldivers 2, for example. My dudes, it's a co-op game. My teammates and I are all on the same side! Moreover, the vast majority of people are gonna play with their friends, not randoms. And if your friend is using a cheat and it bothers you, you just ask him to stop. There's no reason for a game like Helldivers 2 to require anti-cheat at all, let alone the rootkit variety. And yet...
- kipchak 11mo agoHelldivers might have more to do with preventing people from easily farming super credits versus game integrity.
- simoncion 11mo agoYep. I've seen quite a few free-to-play gacha games of the "Dress up your pretty princess in cool clothes and do cute activities in a relaxing, no-stress world." variety that have serious anticheat. There's no leaderboard, no multiplayer, it's totally singleplayer. Why the serious anticheat? To try to prevent you from cheating your way to possession of all the cool clothes for your pretty princess.
- red-iron-pine 11mo agoburying the lede here killer. the answer is "we want to get paid" the cool clothes cost $$$ or are randomally found. 0.0000004% chance to get, or pay money for better odds. or pay lots of money to just get it.
- isk517 11mo agoElden Ring: Nightreign is also a co-op PvE game that has anti-cheating in it. The most common way people cheat is by fudging then items equipped to their character that slightly alter their stats and abilities. Since the game is rouge-like and all of your character information and equipment you can assign before entering the game is handled locally then all it takes is editing your save file which the game and server have no way of (or makes no effort to) detect. Also, after a brief period, all of the cheaters disappeared because just repeatedly winning a PvE game get boring.