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I think "no wars of conquest" is a bright line that was crossed by Russia, that hasn't been crossed by other nations in a long time. And I think it's important

by clucas 10mo ago

I think "no wars of conquest" is a bright line that was crossed by Russia, that hasn't been crossed by other nations in a long time. And I think it's important for the whole world to take a stand on that, not just the nation that was invaded. It's not a "random stand."

Alex2037 10mo ago
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- AlecSchueler 10mo ago
  Plenty of people boycott Israeli goods and there's an increasing trend of moving away from reliance on American services also.
- DrammBA 10mo ago
  did you just "but what about X" to the previous comment which is the whole point of this thread?
- jwr 10mo ago
  I am amused by my (unpopular and downvoted by now) comment by the scourge of "whataboutism" sparked a discussion, where comments begin with "how about" :-) That is exactly my point! Saying "but what about" is akin to saying "you shouldn't do anything, because there is another unrelated $thing happening elsewhere". I refuse to follow this line of thinking.
- clucas 10mo ago
  I find it much easier to take a strong stand on Russia/Ukraine than on Israel/Palestine. The history of Israel/Palestine is much more of a gray area. Palestine has used plenty of aggressive actions and rhetoric that make Israel's actions more understandable (if not justified). Example of actions: Gaza invaded Israel and killed, raped, and kidnapped civilians on October 7. Ukraine had no such triggering event that caused Russia to invade. Example of rhetoric: Gaza's political leaders have said they want to destroy Israel. I don't think anyone in power in Ukraine has said they want to destroy the Russian state.
- donkyrf 10mo ago
  "enthusiastic support" https://yougov.co.uk/international/articles/52279-net-favourability-towards-israel-reaches-new-lows-in-key-western-european-countries https://yougov.co.uk/international/articles/52279-net-favour... https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/10/03/how-americans-view-the-israel-hamas-conflict-2-years-into-the-war/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/10/03/how-american... etc etc.... I'm not sure what collective West you're referring to; but apparently it excludes every major Western European nation, America, and Canada.

by clucas 10mo ago

Alex2037 10mo ago

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AlecSchueler 10mo ago
Plenty of people boycott Israeli goods and there's an increasing trend of moving away from reliance on American services also.
DrammBA 10mo ago
did you just "but what about X" to the previous comment which is the whole point of this thread?
jwr 10mo ago
I am amused by my (unpopular and downvoted by now) comment by the scourge of "whataboutism" sparked a discussion, where comments begin with "how about" :-) That is exactly my point! Saying "but what about" is akin to saying "you shouldn't do anything, because there is another unrelated $thing happening elsewhere". I refuse to follow this line of thinking.
clucas 10mo ago
I find it much easier to take a strong stand on Russia/Ukraine than on Israel/Palestine. The history of Israel/Palestine is much more of a gray area. Palestine has used plenty of aggressive actions and rhetoric that make Israel's actions more understandable (if not justified). Example of actions: Gaza invaded Israel and killed, raped, and kidnapped civilians on October 7. Ukraine had no such triggering event that caused Russia to invade. Example of rhetoric: Gaza's political leaders have said they want to destroy Israel. I don't think anyone in power in Ukraine has said they want to destroy the Russian state.
donkyrf 10mo ago
"enthusiastic support" https://yougov.co.uk/international/articles/52279-net-favourability-towards-israel-reaches-new-lows-in-key-western-european-countries https://yougov.co.uk/international/articles/52279-net-favour... https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/10/03/how-americans-view-the-israel-hamas-conflict-2-years-into-the-war/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/10/03/how-american... etc etc.... I'm not sure what collective West you're referring to; but apparently it excludes every major Western European nation, America, and Canada.