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In your view, is it right to categorise PA alongside Al Quaida?

vogon_laureate 11mo ago
Given that the Palestine Action co-founder said just one day after the Oct 7 massacre: "When we hear the resistance, the Al-Aqsa flood, we must turn that flood into a tsunami of the whole world." Yes.
JetSetWilly 11mo ago
Yes. They are both groups that only exist to commit violence against people to further their political aims. They may differ in how extreme they are, but the core of it is they are violent and we should have absolute zero tolerance against such groups.
- piltdownman 11mo ago
  I mean the opening statements of the KC for the accused perfectly refutes such nonsensical claims. As Raza Husain KC told the court - “There are reasons of profound importance as to why, in the 32 executive orders that have been made adding organisations to proscribed lists, no direct action civil disobedience organisation appears...Such proscription is repugnant to the tradition of the common law and contrary to the European convention on human rights.” “The Defendant has deployed this most repressive of regimes against PA, notwithstanding that, on her own evidence, only four out of hundreds of its actions are even capable of meeting the definition of serious property damage.” “The decision to proscribe PA is an unprecedented and disproportionate interference with articles 9, 10 and 11 [freedom of thought, expression and protest]. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/nov/26/ban-on-palestine-action-is-repugnant-and-should-be-lifted-high-court-told https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/nov/26/ban-on-pales...
  - JetSetWilly 11mo ago
    I'm sure you'll also find that lawyers make statements in favour of hopelessly guilty murderers. That's what they are paid to do. Your "freedom of expression" does not include hitting people with sledgehammers and attacking and disabling national defence infrastructure. Of course, we should withdraw from the HRA precisely because it is perverted in this way by lawyers, but those bald statements do not in fact show that hitting people with sledgehammers is legitimate freedom of expression or protest, and it appears that committing such acts is the principle reason for PA to exist.

Given that the Palestine Action co-founder said just one day after the Oct 7 massacre: "When we hear the resistance, the Al-Aqsa flood, we must turn that flood into a tsunami of the whole world." Yes.

JetSetWilly 11mo ago

Yes. They are both groups that only exist to commit violence against people to further their political aims. They may differ in how extreme they are, but the core of it is they are violent and we should have absolute zero tolerance against such groups.

piltdownman 11mo ago
I mean the opening statements of the KC for the accused perfectly refutes such nonsensical claims. As Raza Husain KC told the court - “There are reasons of profound importance as to why, in the 32 executive orders that have been made adding organisations to proscribed lists, no direct action civil disobedience organisation appears...Such proscription is repugnant to the tradition of the common law and contrary to the European convention on human rights.” “The Defendant has deployed this most repressive of regimes against PA, notwithstanding that, on her own evidence, only four out of hundreds of its actions are even capable of meeting the definition of serious property damage.” “The decision to proscribe PA is an unprecedented and disproportionate interference with articles 9, 10 and 11 [freedom of thought, expression and protest]. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/nov/26/ban-on-palestine-action-is-repugnant-and-should-be-lifted-high-court-told https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/nov/26/ban-on-pales...
- JetSetWilly 11mo ago
  I'm sure you'll also find that lawyers make statements in favour of hopelessly guilty murderers. That's what they are paid to do. Your "freedom of expression" does not include hitting people with sledgehammers and attacking and disabling national defence infrastructure. Of course, we should withdraw from the HRA precisely because it is perverted in this way by lawyers, but those bald statements do not in fact show that hitting people with sledgehammers is legitimate freedom of expression or protest, and it appears that committing such acts is the principle reason for PA to exist.