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Net worth is a funny metric. Joe has a 300k house with 100k equity and 200k mortgage. He has 100k in stocks in a 401k. Net worth negative 100k. Pete has $300

by shubb 10mo ago

Net worth is a funny metric. Joe has a 300k house with 100k equity and 200k mortgage. He has 100k in stocks in a 401k. Net worth negative 100k. Pete has $300 in his cheques account, and isn't eligible for loans or mortgage. Net worth positive $300 Obviously Joe is richer than Pete though.

chelmzy 10mo ago
Most people would consider Joe's networth to be $200k.
senordevnyc 10mo ago
Joe’s net worth is $200k. Why on earth would you value the home at $0? Net worth = assets - liabilities
quickthrowman 10mo ago
> Obviously Joe is richer than Pete though. Yeah, because Joe’s net worth is $200,000 and Pete’s is $300 House equity = current value - mortgage balance You subtracted the mortgage twice, so your math is off by $200,000.00
- actionfromafar 10mo ago
  Substitute some numbers until the example makes sense, the point is that net worth can be misleading.
  - bluGill 10mo ago
    Joe is on the hook for his mortgage and so his monthly cashflow must be higher to afford to live. However his net worth is larger and so he is richer. This is why middle class people often feel poor than those who are poor: they make more money and have more in total, but they also have large bills and if something happens those bills will catch up with them fast.
    - actionfromafar 10mo ago
      And that is the interesting part - for a given sudden bill of a certain size, someone more wealthy on paper can have much worse outcomes.
mckn1ght 10mo ago
This feels like one of those PEMDAS posts on facebook where everyone comes to different results and argues endlessly about it. So let me add my 2¢: if you have 100K in equity and owe 200K on your mortgage, then you’re net -100K on your house that combines with the 100K in the retirement account to produce a net worth of $0 Where is my mistake?
- Tcepsa 10mo ago
  Net worth isn't equity - mortgage + 401k. Net worth is assets - liabilities. Equity is not an asset; the house is. So is the 401k. The mortgage is a liability. So Joe's net worth is 100k (IRA) + 300k (value of house) - 200k (mortgage) = 200k positive net worth. (Another way of thinking about equity, specifically, is it is the real estate contribution to net worth, because it is what is left when you subtract the real estate liability (mortgage) from the real estate asset (value of house). That's why you shouldn't subtract the mortgage from the equity: equity is what's left after you've already subtracted the mortgage.) (Edit: Adjusted sign in first equation to subtract mortgage. It's probably more technically accurate to keep it as addition and consider the mortgage to be a negative value, but I believe it's more straightforward and intuitive for most people as it is now represented.)

by shubb 10mo ago

chelmzy 10mo ago

Most people would consider Joe's networth to be $200k.

senordevnyc 10mo ago

Joe’s net worth is $200k. Why on earth would you value the home at $0? Net worth = assets - liabilities

quickthrowman 10mo ago

> Obviously Joe is richer than Pete though. Yeah, because Joe’s net worth is $200,000 and Pete’s is $300 House equity = current value - mortgage balance You subtracted the mortgage twice, so your math is off by $200,000.00

actionfromafar 10mo ago
Substitute some numbers until the example makes sense, the point is that net worth can be misleading.
- bluGill 10mo ago
  Joe is on the hook for his mortgage and so his monthly cashflow must be higher to afford to live. However his net worth is larger and so he is richer. This is why middle class people often feel poor than those who are poor: they make more money and have more in total, but they also have large bills and if something happens those bills will catch up with them fast.
  - actionfromafar 10mo ago
    And that is the interesting part - for a given sudden bill of a certain size, someone more wealthy on paper can have much worse outcomes.

mckn1ght 10mo ago

This feels like one of those PEMDAS posts on facebook where everyone comes to different results and argues endlessly about it. So let me add my 2¢: if you have 100K in equity and owe 200K on your mortgage, then you’re net -100K on your house that combines with the 100K in the retirement account to produce a net worth of $0 Where is my mistake?

Tcepsa 10mo ago
Net worth isn't equity - mortgage + 401k. Net worth is assets - liabilities. Equity is not an asset; the house is. So is the 401k. The mortgage is a liability. So Joe's net worth is 100k (IRA) + 300k (value of house) - 200k (mortgage) = 200k positive net worth. (Another way of thinking about equity, specifically, is it is the real estate contribution to net worth, because it is what is left when you subtract the real estate liability (mortgage) from the real estate asset (value of house). That's why you shouldn't subtract the mortgage from the equity: equity is what's left after you've already subtracted the mortgage.) (Edit: Adjusted sign in first equation to subtract mortgage. It's probably more technically accurate to keep it as addition and consider the mortgage to be a negative value, but I believe it's more straightforward and intuitive for most people as it is now represented.)