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Seems interesting but unfortunately might be a bit political? > It's explicitly free of any "DEI" or similar discriminatory policies. Complaining about DEI is

by komali2 11mo ago

Seems interesting but unfortunately might be a bit political? > It's explicitly free of any "DEI" or similar discriminatory policies. Complaining about DEI is a marker for a specific ideology. I see this and think great, a project of people who want to be allowed to "just crack jokes" but then get super defensive when they get called out on it. It also makes me instantly suspect that their ejection from the project from which they forked had more to do with how they composed themselves rather than the fact that they were considering a fork. If the dev was hoping to keep their project "apolitical," they should probably leave out the two paragraphs of politics...

voidUpdate 11mo ago
They're also explicitly pro-DEI, given the next paragraph. "It doesn't matter which country you're coming from, your political views, your race, your sex, your age, your food menu, whether you wear boots or heels, whether you're furry or fairy, Conan or McKay, comic character, a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri, or just a boring average person. Anybody who's interested in bringing X forward is welcome."
- delaminator 11mo ago
  That's Equality not Equity.
  - voidUpdate 11mo ago
    That's Inclusion
    - mort96 11mo ago
      No, it's not. It's a statement opposing explicit exclusion, but that's not the same as inclusion. EDIT to make this comment a bit more useful and productive: When people talk about "inclusion" in a DEI context, they typically mean making an active effort to include a diverse set of people. Outreach programs, looking at the community to identify things which drive away groups of people, that sort of thing. It can mean cracking down on "jokes" which make fun of some groups of people, or discussions of topics which make groups of people uncomfortable, etc. It's a very different beast from just having a policy against explicitly disallowing contributions from people based on their group identity.
      - tosti 11mo ago
        This. Inclusion for everyone who adheres to any kind of code is really just a cabal with different feathers.
    - delaminator 11mo ago
      "We don't care who you are, anyone can contribute to our project as long as they're good enough." That's not diversity, nor equity , nor inclusion.
- speed_spread 11mo ago
  It's the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" of contributors agreement.
  - hagbard_c 11mo ago
    Good, that's the one we want. Don't tell me whether you like gravy, don't tell me your favourite colour, don't tell me about anything not related to the project unless it happens to be in a discussion totally unrelated to it. It is not that I mind knowing whether you like gravy or prefer green over red, it is just that I'd rather not have to think about whether you're in the gravy-faction or the green camp and have to tailor my communication to those preferences just in case I insult someone by stating that just like K.D. Lang [1] I can't stand gravy. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXqPjx94YMg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXqPjx94YMg
    - b00g13bored 11mo ago
      Yet here you are sharing preferences no one asked to hear about.
- bmacho 11mo ago
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  - voidUpdate 11mo ago
    I don't see how they are any of those things either...
- snowram 11mo ago
  Huh huh, he could have just said "PRs are welcome" then. This is a window manager, no need to be weird by being this specific.
  - HeckFeck 11mo ago
    It's an abortive attempt at parody. Could've just said "On the Internet, no one knows you're a dog" and we could at least enjoy the throwback.
    - ri0t 11mo ago
      Yo, thanks for the throwback [1] XD [1]: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f8/Internet_dog.jpg/220px-Internet_dog.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f8/Interne...
- zzo38computer 11mo ago
  It isn't DEI. The problem with modern politics is that one side is DEI and other side is racist and they are both bad. Xlibre specifically says they are neither, and therefore it is better.
  - komali2 11mo ago
    I think you're using the American right wing definition of DEI which describes a bit of a strawman. In reality, a leader establishing a rule that people aren't to be discriminated against based on e.g. race or gender, is an example of a DEI policy. So when I said anti-DEI is a marker for a specific political ideology, it's really because it's a marker for the kind of media a person consumes, which informs the definition of DEI they're using.
bowsamic 11mo ago
Not just politically bad but I read through the authors contributions to X11 that got him banned and they were full of random renamings and irrelevant refactorings that seemed to have no reason to be there other than to look like he was changing lots of things. That’s why he was kicked out, because he kept making really technically bad pull requests, not for political reasons
clhodapp 11mo ago
They were ejected because they submitted some seriously broken patches, which triggered kind of a panic re-review of their previous patches, which concluded that they had been careless the whole time (Chesterton's Fence type stuff). The political stuff is just an extra bonus.
- throw09090934 11mo ago
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- wongogue 11mo ago
  So another grifter pandering to the ultra-conservatives? Where have I seen that again?
- KetoManx64 11mo ago
  I keep hating this but nobody has ever linked to the supposed broken packages. With how political RedHat is I would not be surprised one bit if it was completely overblown and exaggerated just so they could use it as an excuse to kick out someone who's politics they didn't like. Same thing has happened multiple times in the last few years (Hyprland is just one notable example)
brobdingnagians 11mo ago
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- gldrk 11mo ago
  DEI is no longer in vogue (or a thing) thanks to 10/7. Its former backers are funding the White House ballroom right now.
  - psychoslave 11mo ago
    What's 10/7?
    - komali2 11mo ago
      I believe they mean the Hamas attacks against Israel on Oct 10, and are pinning Trump's reelection on that, and drawing a thread from there to the whole "woke is dead" thing that followed, e.g. Zuckerberg going on Joe Rogan and trying to present himself as masculine and anti woke now, some companies ending DEI policies, that sort of thing.
  - brobdingnagians 11mo ago
    Which shows that the mega-corporations that endorsed it before weren't even sincere in that. Further evidence that you shouldn't trust a soulless mega-corporation-- no matter what they profess in public. I respect someone who stands up for their beliefs, even if I think they are flawed.
  - tempfile 11mo ago
    What does October 7th (is that what you mean?) have to do with DEI?
- lawn 11mo ago
  "anti-DEI" is currently used as a fascist agenda to allow discrimination, not to prevent it. It's used to fire and harass women, trans, homosexuals, and people of color.
dijit 11mo ago
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- gldrk 11mo ago
  ‘Democrats are the real racists’ in 2025? >I don’t care at all: the tone of your skin, where you come from, who you sleep with or what hole you piss from That sounds like a sad, shallow, deracinated existence. It is human nature to care about these things. You never hear this boomercon cringe in healthy societies.
  - dijit 11mo ago
    I am not American, I’m Swedish/British, though I’m really sick of all online spaces being American political spectrum shite. Did you know its possible to support social systems and equality without gasp making it a huge deal? You’re both losers, either side of the US political spectrum, leave the rest of us alone. Yes, I’m mad about it- 15 years of this and its not improving.
- gchamonlive 11mo ago
  You think like this because you have the privilege of not being affected by discrimination. It's not enough to "not be a racist". You are being downvoted because of this, and thinking everyone but you is immature for this conversation just highlights this.
  - dijit 11mo ago
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    - slightwinder 11mo ago
      Sorry to break your delusion, but there has never been true equality on the internet, it's all just different bubbles, with different discriminations.
throw09090934 11mo ago
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- mort96 11mo ago
  Where did anyone in this conversation say what you're quoting?
hagbard_c 11mo ago
Being free of DEI (et. al.) is a good thing, it is just sad that something like that is a noteworthy policy. It comes down to stating that you don't care whether contributors happen to be left- or right-handed: well, duh, of course you don't care and it would be silly to insist on having 'equal handedness representation' as a policy for a project.
- mort96 11mo ago
  A community can not care whether contributors happen to be left- or right-handed. But if the community keeps making jokes about how left-handed people are inferior, there's probably not gonna be many left-handed people in the community. Or maybe the project's infrastructure or documentation is somehow more difficult to use for left-handed people, or assumes shared experiences that's common among right-handed people but which is foreign to most left-handed people. And since roughly 10% of the population is left-handed, if only 2% of your community is left-handed, it could be worthwhile to ask why. Maybe that difference is due to a broader societal issue, but maybe there's something about the community that repels left-handed people. Worth investigating, no?
  - amiga386 11mo ago
    Ironically, X11 supports "diverse" people better than Wayland does. https://fireborn.mataroa.blog/blog/i-want-to-love-linux-it-doesnt-love-me-back-post-4-wayland-is-growing-up-and-now-we-dont-have-a-choice/ https://fireborn.mataroa.blog/blog/i-want-to-love-linux-it-d...
- viraptor 11mo ago
  So this is a funny example you brought up, especially in terms of a GUI related project. You know what a system like that should take into account? People with non-standard handedness! For that to happen, you may want diversity in at least your test team, and inclusivity for people with different or limited physical abilities. Because swapping the mouse buttons around or making different keyboard mappings useful and other accessibility features are often pushed by people who have some real life experience with diverse population. For good design, X should explicitly look for various ways people differ and how to include them in ways appropriate to their situation.
ahoka 11mo ago
So a German, thinking his work is much better than it actually is blames liberals and minorities for his failure and tries to take over the governance? Wow, that seems familiar.
- hagbard_c 11mo ago
  The only thing familiar here is the immediate knee-jerk German -> Nazi reaction.
  - soraminazuki 11mo ago
    The developer posted literal WW2 Germany apologia on LKML. https://web.archive.org/web/20190404153507/https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20181010.191925.ee1331b6.en.html https://web.archive.org/web/20190404153507/https://lists.dyn...
- deleted 11mo ago
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mrighele 11mo ago
> Complaining about DEI is a marker for a specific ideology. Which ideology ? I find that DEI is a very ideological position specific to the America left (and to the America political situation). Not everybody wants to have to deal with it. Judging contributors just according to their contributions to the project (in general, not just code), is inherently anti-DEI because it would be about equality, not equity.
- viraptor 11mo ago
  > specific to the America left (and to the America political situation) It's not. It's not called explicitly DEI in other countries, but the ideas are in no way limited to the US.
guesswho_ 11mo ago
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gjvc 11mo ago
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- komali2 11mo ago
  Using the term "woke mind virus" unironically is also a marker for a specific ideology...
  - tosti 11mo ago
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  - gjvc 11mo ago
    No it is not. This is the woke mind virus bullshit talking.
amiga386 11mo ago
The problem is: * The people who make XFree86/Xorg, GNOME and KDE are all part of the same FreeDesktop.Org club. They have a (not so) secret plan to completely ditch X11 and replace it with the thing they've been dicking about with for 17 years: Wayland. * Wayland's still nowhere near X11 replacement quality, and in several cases, they actually think they've done you a solid by taking away useful things X11 can do, like the ability to reliably take screenshots with third-party software, or get a reliable list of screens and pick the one you'll open on. They exhibit worrying levels of phone-brain or "platform"-brain. My computer, my rules, you dipshits. * To ensure they achieve their goal of killing X11, the developers of Xorg are _intentionally_ going to stop supporting it, to scare you over to Wayland. "Who'll support your precious X11 if we, its own developers, abandon it? Muhahahahahaha!" they might ask. * What they didn't count on was the batshit conspiracy theorist who'd been submitting hundreds of patches to Xorg that they'd just been ignoring. He's escaped the asylum, he's anti-woke, and he's the saviour of X11. God help us all. And if you dare take him up on his offer to keep using X11, the X11-haters club (FreeDesktop) will call you a Nazi to delegitimise you so they can move forward with their plan to kill X11. It's a side-issue that the FreeDesktop/KDE/GNOME folks have gotten more divisive and confrontational in their politics and have no problem milking their tech projects to further their political goals. If you want someone to blame for this, blame the general increase in divisiveness that came from social media weaponising disagreement to the point the orange shitbag got elected and all the tech corps kow-towed to him. The GNOME developers have always been officious pricks who seem completely deaf to user feedback and actively fight you in the bug reports, but they haven't previously been banging on about "Nazi bars"; that's a recent development.
- mort96 11mo ago
  > What they didn't count on was the batshit conspiracy theorist who'd been submitting hundreds of patches to XFree86 that they'd just been ignoring It's worth noting that a bunch of those patches are just straight up broken and seemingly untested.
  - amiga386 11mo ago
    Thus your choices for who will maintain Xorg: * The people who made it who also want to murder it * The crazy guy, who knows enough to be useful, but dangerous * Yourself None of these choices are good, and the Xorg developers know that. They're super-stoked about how much compelled Wayland adoption they're going to get.
psychoslave 11mo ago
What's a DEI in this context, please.
- Xunjin 11mo ago
  Diversity, equity, and inclusion.
gjsman-1000 11mo ago
DEI = Not political Anti-DEI = Political That’s not a fair standard. Both are politics.
- komali2 11mo ago
  I'm not sure I agree, a DEI policy could easily be about de-politicizing a work place by e.g. cracking down on racially insensitive jokes. Whereas anti-DEI is all about politicizing people's race or gender or whatever.
  - gjsman-1000 11mo ago
    It’s literally the oldest trick in politics: Call your side the apolitical one.
snapplebobapple 11mo ago
Both being for or against DEI is a marker of specific ideologies. I would argue being against is less indicative because the position is more free and less driven by bias but thats just like my opinion man.
phendrenad2 11mo ago
I don't think it's unfortunate, I think it's inevitable. The wayland vs x11 debate always had undertones of tradition, self-determination, and collectivism. Nobody without a fringe anti-"woke" mindset would create somehing like this. (Woah there buddy, I see that finger hovering - before downvoting, read it 2x more times and see if I'm actually agreeing with you)
zzo38computer 11mo ago
I think it is good that they are free from DEI, as long as they are not racist instead (and the next paragraph after the one mentioning DEI says they are not racist, so that is good). Avoiding one does not mean you need to have the other one, even though some people seem to think that it does. > If the dev was hoping to keep their project "apolitical," they should probably leave out the two paragraphs of politics... That might have been a good idea, to avoid mentioning such things if they are unnecessary to do so, but now it is done. It can be changed (and maybe it should be changed), but I do not really care much if they change it or not.

by komali2 11mo ago

voidUpdate 11mo ago

They're also explicitly pro-DEI, given the next paragraph. "It doesn't matter which country you're coming from, your political views, your race, your sex, your age, your food menu, whether you wear boots or heels, whether you're furry or fairy, Conan or McKay, comic character, a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri, or just a boring average person. Anybody who's interested in bringing X forward is welcome."

delaminator 11mo ago
That's Equality not Equity.
- voidUpdate 11mo ago
  That's Inclusion
  - mort96 11mo ago
    No, it's not. It's a statement opposing explicit exclusion, but that's not the same as inclusion. EDIT to make this comment a bit more useful and productive: When people talk about "inclusion" in a DEI context, they typically mean making an active effort to include a diverse set of people. Outreach programs, looking at the community to identify things which drive away groups of people, that sort of thing. It can mean cracking down on "jokes" which make fun of some groups of people, or discussions of topics which make groups of people uncomfortable, etc. It's a very different beast from just having a policy against explicitly disallowing contributions from people based on their group identity.
    - tosti 11mo ago
      This. Inclusion for everyone who adheres to any kind of code is really just a cabal with different feathers.
  - delaminator 11mo ago
    "We don't care who you are, anyone can contribute to our project as long as they're good enough." That's not diversity, nor equity , nor inclusion.
speed_spread 11mo ago
It's the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" of contributors agreement.
- hagbard_c 11mo ago
  Good, that's the one we want. Don't tell me whether you like gravy, don't tell me your favourite colour, don't tell me about anything not related to the project unless it happens to be in a discussion totally unrelated to it. It is not that I mind knowing whether you like gravy or prefer green over red, it is just that I'd rather not have to think about whether you're in the gravy-faction or the green camp and have to tailor my communication to those preferences just in case I insult someone by stating that just like K.D. Lang [1] I can't stand gravy. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXqPjx94YMg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXqPjx94YMg
  - b00g13bored 11mo ago
    Yet here you are sharing preferences no one asked to hear about.
bmacho 11mo ago
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- voidUpdate 11mo ago
  I don't see how they are any of those things either...
snowram 11mo ago
Huh huh, he could have just said "PRs are welcome" then. This is a window manager, no need to be weird by being this specific.
- HeckFeck 11mo ago
  It's an abortive attempt at parody. Could've just said "On the Internet, no one knows you're a dog" and we could at least enjoy the throwback.
  - ri0t 11mo ago
    Yo, thanks for the throwback [1] XD [1]: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f8/Internet_dog.jpg/220px-Internet_dog.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f8/Interne...
zzo38computer 11mo ago
It isn't DEI. The problem with modern politics is that one side is DEI and other side is racist and they are both bad. Xlibre specifically says they are neither, and therefore it is better.
- komali2 11mo ago
  I think you're using the American right wing definition of DEI which describes a bit of a strawman. In reality, a leader establishing a rule that people aren't to be discriminated against based on e.g. race or gender, is an example of a DEI policy. So when I said anti-DEI is a marker for a specific political ideology, it's really because it's a marker for the kind of media a person consumes, which informs the definition of DEI they're using.

bowsamic 11mo ago

Not just politically bad but I read through the authors contributions to X11 that got him banned and they were full of random renamings and irrelevant refactorings that seemed to have no reason to be there other than to look like he was changing lots of things. That’s why he was kicked out, because he kept making really technically bad pull requests, not for political reasons

clhodapp 11mo ago

They were ejected because they submitted some seriously broken patches, which triggered kind of a panic re-review of their previous patches, which concluded that they had been careless the whole time (Chesterton's Fence type stuff). The political stuff is just an extra bonus.

throw09090934 11mo ago
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wongogue 11mo ago
So another grifter pandering to the ultra-conservatives? Where have I seen that again?
KetoManx64 11mo ago
I keep hating this but nobody has ever linked to the supposed broken packages. With how political RedHat is I would not be surprised one bit if it was completely overblown and exaggerated just so they could use it as an excuse to kick out someone who's politics they didn't like. Same thing has happened multiple times in the last few years (Hyprland is just one notable example)

brobdingnagians 11mo ago

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gldrk 11mo ago
DEI is no longer in vogue (or a thing) thanks to 10/7. Its former backers are funding the White House ballroom right now.
- psychoslave 11mo ago
  What's 10/7?
  - komali2 11mo ago
    I believe they mean the Hamas attacks against Israel on Oct 10, and are pinning Trump's reelection on that, and drawing a thread from there to the whole "woke is dead" thing that followed, e.g. Zuckerberg going on Joe Rogan and trying to present himself as masculine and anti woke now, some companies ending DEI policies, that sort of thing.
- brobdingnagians 11mo ago
  Which shows that the mega-corporations that endorsed it before weren't even sincere in that. Further evidence that you shouldn't trust a soulless mega-corporation-- no matter what they profess in public. I respect someone who stands up for their beliefs, even if I think they are flawed.
- tempfile 11mo ago
  What does October 7th (is that what you mean?) have to do with DEI?
lawn 11mo ago
"anti-DEI" is currently used as a fascist agenda to allow discrimination, not to prevent it. It's used to fire and harass women, trans, homosexuals, and people of color.

dijit 11mo ago

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gldrk 11mo ago
‘Democrats are the real racists’ in 2025? >I don’t care at all: the tone of your skin, where you come from, who you sleep with or what hole you piss from That sounds like a sad, shallow, deracinated existence. It is human nature to care about these things. You never hear this boomercon cringe in healthy societies.
- dijit 11mo ago
  I am not American, I’m Swedish/British, though I’m really sick of all online spaces being American political spectrum shite. Did you know its possible to support social systems and equality without gasp making it a huge deal? You’re both losers, either side of the US political spectrum, leave the rest of us alone. Yes, I’m mad about it- 15 years of this and its not improving.
gchamonlive 11mo ago
You think like this because you have the privilege of not being affected by discrimination. It's not enough to "not be a racist". You are being downvoted because of this, and thinking everyone but you is immature for this conversation just highlights this.
- dijit 11mo ago
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  - deleted 11mo ago
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  - slightwinder 11mo ago
    Sorry to break your delusion, but there has never been true equality on the internet, it's all just different bubbles, with different discriminations.

throw09090934 11mo ago

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mort96 11mo ago
Where did anyone in this conversation say what you're quoting?

hagbard_c 11mo ago

Being free of DEI (et. al.) is a good thing, it is just sad that something like that is a noteworthy policy. It comes down to stating that you don't care whether contributors happen to be left- or right-handed: well, duh, of course you don't care and it would be silly to insist on having 'equal handedness representation' as a policy for a project.

mort96 11mo ago
A community can not care whether contributors happen to be left- or right-handed. But if the community keeps making jokes about how left-handed people are inferior, there's probably not gonna be many left-handed people in the community. Or maybe the project's infrastructure or documentation is somehow more difficult to use for left-handed people, or assumes shared experiences that's common among right-handed people but which is foreign to most left-handed people. And since roughly 10% of the population is left-handed, if only 2% of your community is left-handed, it could be worthwhile to ask why. Maybe that difference is due to a broader societal issue, but maybe there's something about the community that repels left-handed people. Worth investigating, no?
- amiga386 11mo ago
  Ironically, X11 supports "diverse" people better than Wayland does. https://fireborn.mataroa.blog/blog/i-want-to-love-linux-it-doesnt-love-me-back-post-4-wayland-is-growing-up-and-now-we-dont-have-a-choice/ https://fireborn.mataroa.blog/blog/i-want-to-love-linux-it-d...
viraptor 11mo ago
So this is a funny example you brought up, especially in terms of a GUI related project. You know what a system like that should take into account? People with non-standard handedness! For that to happen, you may want diversity in at least your test team, and inclusivity for people with different or limited physical abilities. Because swapping the mouse buttons around or making different keyboard mappings useful and other accessibility features are often pushed by people who have some real life experience with diverse population. For good design, X should explicitly look for various ways people differ and how to include them in ways appropriate to their situation.

ahoka 11mo ago

So a German, thinking his work is much better than it actually is blames liberals and minorities for his failure and tries to take over the governance? Wow, that seems familiar.

hagbard_c 11mo ago
The only thing familiar here is the immediate knee-jerk German -> Nazi reaction.
- soraminazuki 11mo ago
  The developer posted literal WW2 Germany apologia on LKML. https://web.archive.org/web/20190404153507/https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20181010.191925.ee1331b6.en.html https://web.archive.org/web/20190404153507/https://lists.dyn...
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mrighele 11mo ago

> Complaining about DEI is a marker for a specific ideology. Which ideology ? I find that DEI is a very ideological position specific to the America left (and to the America political situation). Not everybody wants to have to deal with it. Judging contributors just according to their contributions to the project (in general, not just code), is inherently anti-DEI because it would be about equality, not equity.

viraptor 11mo ago
> specific to the America left (and to the America political situation) It's not. It's not called explicitly DEI in other countries, but the ideas are in no way limited to the US.

guesswho_ 11mo ago

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gjvc 11mo ago

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komali2 11mo ago
Using the term "woke mind virus" unironically is also a marker for a specific ideology...
- tosti 11mo ago
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- gjvc 11mo ago
  No it is not. This is the woke mind virus bullshit talking.

amiga386 11mo ago

The problem is: * The people who make XFree86/Xorg, GNOME and KDE are all part of the same FreeDesktop.Org club. They have a (not so) secret plan to completely ditch X11 and replace it with the thing they've been dicking about with for 17 years: Wayland. * Wayland's still nowhere near X11 replacement quality, and in several cases, they actually think they've done you a solid by taking away useful things X11 can do, like the ability to reliably take screenshots with third-party software, or get a reliable list of screens and pick the one you'll open on. They exhibit worrying levels of phone-brain or "platform"-brain. My computer, my rules, you dipshits. * To ensure they achieve their goal of killing X11, the developers of Xorg are _intentionally_ going to stop supporting it, to scare you over to Wayland. "Who'll support your precious X11 if we, its own developers, abandon it? Muhahahahahaha!" they might ask. * What they didn't count on was the batshit conspiracy theorist who'd been submitting hundreds of patches to Xorg that they'd just been ignoring. He's escaped the asylum, he's anti-woke, and he's the saviour of X11. God help us all. And if you dare take him up on his offer to keep using X11, the X11-haters club (FreeDesktop) will call you a Nazi to delegitimise you so they can move forward with their plan to kill X11. It's a side-issue that the FreeDesktop/KDE/GNOME folks have gotten more divisive and confrontational in their politics and have no problem milking their tech projects to further their political goals. If you want someone to blame for this, blame the general increase in divisiveness that came from social media weaponising disagreement to the point the orange shitbag got elected and all the tech corps kow-towed to him. The GNOME developers have always been officious pricks who seem completely deaf to user feedback and actively fight you in the bug reports, but they haven't previously been banging on about "Nazi bars"; that's a recent development.

mort96 11mo ago
> What they didn't count on was the batshit conspiracy theorist who'd been submitting hundreds of patches to XFree86 that they'd just been ignoring It's worth noting that a bunch of those patches are just straight up broken and seemingly untested.
- amiga386 11mo ago
  Thus your choices for who will maintain Xorg: * The people who made it who also want to murder it * The crazy guy, who knows enough to be useful, but dangerous * Yourself None of these choices are good, and the Xorg developers know that. They're super-stoked about how much compelled Wayland adoption they're going to get.

psychoslave 11mo ago

What's a DEI in this context, please.

Xunjin 11mo ago
Diversity, equity, and inclusion.

gjsman-1000 11mo ago

DEI = Not political Anti-DEI = Political That’s not a fair standard. Both are politics.

komali2 11mo ago
I'm not sure I agree, a DEI policy could easily be about de-politicizing a work place by e.g. cracking down on racially insensitive jokes. Whereas anti-DEI is all about politicizing people's race or gender or whatever.
- gjsman-1000 11mo ago
  It’s literally the oldest trick in politics: Call your side the apolitical one.

snapplebobapple 11mo ago

Both being for or against DEI is a marker of specific ideologies. I would argue being against is less indicative because the position is more free and less driven by bias but thats just like my opinion man.

phendrenad2 11mo ago

I don't think it's unfortunate, I think it's inevitable. The wayland vs x11 debate always had undertones of tradition, self-determination, and collectivism. Nobody without a fringe anti-"woke" mindset would create somehing like this. (Woah there buddy, I see that finger hovering - before downvoting, read it 2x more times and see if I'm actually agreeing with you)

zzo38computer 11mo ago

I think it is good that they are free from DEI, as long as they are not racist instead (and the next paragraph after the one mentioning DEI says they are not racist, so that is good). Avoiding one does not mean you need to have the other one, even though some people seem to think that it does. > If the dev was hoping to keep their project "apolitical," they should probably leave out the two paragraphs of politics... That might have been a good idea, to avoid mentioning such things if they are unnecessary to do so, but now it is done. It can be changed (and maybe it should be changed), but I do not really care much if they change it or not.